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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:50 pm

I do not know what the guys from zerocoolace did and why. They had a guy at the tee much or all of the time. Not so sure about the hat camera pointing in the correct direction. It looked like it was pointing way above the sight line of the guy wearing it. It might have been on purpose so that when he's looking down at the view screen of the main camera the hat cam points at the action hopefully above the players and caddies showing the flight. If that's the case. At the moment i'm too tired but i think the hat cam guy operated a larger camera. They had 3 cameramen and they were in multiple places vs the throwers. Often times there is only a small area from where you catch the whole flight of the disc. At times it is inches in size. I filmed the course and event in what one camera can cover in 2010 and the guys seemed to choose different filming positions and that necessitated filming from behind stuff often. I welcome the idea to show a different perspective and vistas of the course. I think those guys made life more difficult for themselves trying to differentiate the video from the perspective we had. That must have influenced the video. Having difficulty seeing the disc makes following and centering on the disc all the more difficult. View screens on the cameras are often too low in contrast and too dim and sometimes glossy so that you see little or nothing at all from them so following the disc is hard. Often times we've had to raise our eyes from the view screen and reacquire the disc by eye and hope that guiding the camera by muscle position sense and dumb luck. And trying to view over the center of the lense to aim visually with that in a rough manner.

I've noticed that setting up a tripod level takes a lot of time and is difficult. The pace of play is quick vs the time to perfect the upright position of a tripod. One can put the tripod legs together and tilt it upright manually but it will be at least as unstable as a monopod and more difficult to maneuver. Especially in bushes and with tall tough undergrowth. A tripod has a way tougher time of allowing free fast unimpeded panning sideways. Sideways and vertical panning simultaneously gets even more difficult. Even on the loosest settings of the tightening screws of the camera head. We have filmed in free hand mostly, lately more with monopod and only in sparsely and more toward the earlier videos with a tripod. Because the discs rise and fall in the flight and one often must position away from the line the disc is flying at the camera operators need to pan sidweays and up and down. That is difficult even with a monopod unless you make it short and raise it to free hand position panning up. When the disc lands near you even the monopod has difficulty to follow the disc down.

A major issue is where to film from showing the flight of the disc. We've operated under the assumption that people like to see the whole flight of the disc and preferably how the player throws. Often times one has to sacrifice some of the other to improve on the other. With one camera per group we've chosen to show how the disc flies and with two cams one cam films near the tee to show how the player threw and at a later stage in the flight the edit can be switched to the receiving end camera to show where the disc finished up. Often the tee cam has obstructions in the way so the landing position and the whole flight gets impossible to film.

We try to operate zoom and keep the disc in the middle of the picture while panning in each necessary dimension. It is so difficult that we can't pull it off often. Especially keeping a close and fast flying disc centered in the view. I'm always worse in operating the camera (make sure to get one small enough to reach all the controls comfortably for dexterity and all the most useful functions manipulable in the shortest amount of time) early in the season thanks to the situations moving so fast. One has to be set up properly and ready for the shot and even then i made a lot of bad mistakes this year at Tali Open. I overextended my brain capacity trying to live narrate the video. Shhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Embarrassing not pointing the camera to the tee not realizing i had drifted off while concentrating on speaking. Filming is also very physical. I'm always more tired after filming than playing a round. The receiving end camera has to move a lot more than the players and needs to not breathe much of the time and run in between at times. That is a poor equation. The more tired you are the more mistakes you make and the slower you get.

Routine has to be kept up or the filming will be worse. After learning some tricks the filming has become a little easier but it is still very fast no margin of error effort.
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby Mixed Bag Madness » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:08 am

All of you guys over there rock and we greatly appreciate your efforts and the high quality videos. Thanx a lot. :D
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:22 am

Thanks. I am glad that zerocoolace covered the SDGO this year. BTW they have footage from SDGO 2009 so they covered the event a year before we did.
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:29 pm

Finnish nationals 2012 round 3 part 1. This time lcgm8 did not film the entire event so this just for amusement and seeing great video and players doing well on a magnificent course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpuIjOad ... el&list=UL
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby Steady 26542 » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:46 pm

Excellent! Hole 3 is a beast! I love those kind of holes.
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:43 am

Finnish nationals round 3 part 2 (the last part of that round) with the lead card:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSUa5YK740
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:28 am

I highly recommend watching the videos that have gotten too few hits on Youtube from channel hyzernaut. You might see something familiar because their videos have been the largest influence for how we make videos and portray the events.
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby 7ontheline » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:26 pm

Man, Seppo must have grown like a foot in the last year.

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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:51 am

Yeah Seppo is a man now not a kid. A far cry from the fire extinshiguer sized child i dropped some DGR basic advice and application experience on a few short years back. He sure surpassed me fast and that is a great thing for the sport. Not so much for me :-)
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:14 am

Compilation of shots from the first round of Siltamäki Open in Helsinki, Finland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3lBpldVF7M&feature=plcp

Siltamäki course is considered to be the second most beginner friendly course in Helsinki after Munkinpuisto.

Same day release quick sneak peek to Finnish doubles championships:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgIcvQDe ... ature=plcp
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:48 pm

Samples from Finnish doubles championships:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGMoedxgGBM&feature=plcp

Siltamäki Open 2012 final part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE1f2TUZW0Y&feature=plcp

Siltamäki Open 2012 final part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHPed8FRjXg&feature=plcp

Check out this video from Norway the final from Oslo Open 2012 by Hassimuss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dVw_nda ... ults_video
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby Steady 26542 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:03 pm

Great stuff!! Is it always so windy there?
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:38 am

If you refer to Oslo, Norway, then probably yes from hearsay and seeing earlier videos. I've never been to Norway.

Here is another type of video from Finnish doubles nationals by a different filmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFODi3P6XLs
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:05 am

Here is a rough cut of the first part of Tali open 2012 finals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXXF-Loobc

Some people asked for a more live approach to announcing so i tried doing it live while filming. I didn't want to disturb the players both on film and on nearby holes so i whispered. lcgm8 wanted to cut the film for flow of the visuals so the announcing was cut or lowered in volume at times. His reasoning was that the speech shouldn't disturb those that don't want it and should be audible enough for hardcores who want to hear it. I think we have a problem with changing technology editing the video to look good. At the moment mobile devices have so much stronger colors that once their IPS panels or almost as good technology shows the colors as natural traditional screens look very bland. So you have to pick one or the other for settings because the technology is so far apart that there does not seem to be an acceptable middle ground. I don't know if lcgm8 will change the settings later and upload a new version.

Tali was shot with automation of the camera and that does not produce good image when the sky is grey like it was much of the time in Tali. Siltamäki too lighting wise but there i adjusted some view controls manually for an easier quality to be able to be edited to look better on all display devices. The age of my camera shows on automation and in low light conditions.
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Re: Video clips by jr, lcgm8, mafa and others

Postby JR » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:39 am

Tali Open 2012 final part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXXF-Loobc

Tali Open 2012 final part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdzo4KeHx5U

Tali Open 2012 final part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg9MsZ7_kF8

I didn't check the first part but parts 2 and 3 are adjusted from the first version to suite regular monitors now. The reason the colors look so grey and bland are in my camera and in the mostly overcast spring weather. I filmed these videos with automated controls and my camera is not good with those even in clear summer skies all the time compared to more modern and expensive cameras. I filmed Siltamäki Open in mostly similar weather with manual white balance and exposure time controls and that has always given much better colors. That's the way i need to film from now on. It is more difficult and there's a higher chance of missing throws but i think the results are worth the extra hassle.
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