Where does 10M start?

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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Mason65 » Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:26 am

I have a 10M string cut to toss in the bag for tourneys, less bulky than a tape measure and just as helpful.
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Parks » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:48 am

Chuck Kennedy wrote:I think there's some chance the circle radius might be extended in the next rules update for 2011. I know Climo is lobbying for moving it to 15m when talking with him about putting issues last year.


Wouldn't it be better to reduce the catching area of legal baskets instead?

You could also improve the catching ability of the baskets at the same time. Maybe by raising the basket rim height a few inches? It would require more accurate putts and make more putts stick.

You could grandfather in existing baskets for an appropriate amount of time, and/or only require the new standard baskets for Majors for a while.
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Fritz » Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:35 am

Parks wrote:
Chuck Kennedy wrote:I think there's some chance the circle radius might be extended in the next rules update for 2011. I know Climo is lobbying for moving it to 15m when talking with him about putting issues last year.


Wouldn't it be better to reduce the catching area of legal baskets instead?

You could also improve the catching ability of the baskets at the same time. Maybe by raising the basket rim height a few inches? It would require more accurate putts and make more putts stick.

You could grandfather in existing baskets for an appropriate amount of time, and/or only require the new standard baskets for Majors for a while.


I don't think changing the size of the catching device is the solution. The problem with changing anything in the catching area/basket, is $$$$ courses have enough problems getting funded, a lot of places wouldn't be able to hold tournaments because their baskets wouldn't be legal. How long (or are they still missing) did it take to replace the baskets at Griffin Park?
Grandfathering the other baskets in would make people not want to play those courses, as well cause why play on a basket design that isn't going to be used in a major or a-tier event.

I love the idea of 15M for a couple reasons, one major one, I think it's absolutely silly that you can jump putt from 33feet away. Doing a jump putt from 15M (49.2126') is a lot more realistic imo.
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Parks » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:57 pm

Then you still have the problem of baskets spitting out near-perfect putts, and a huge gimme range for pros.

If you change the baskets, its better to do it now before the game (maybe) explodes.

While you're at it, tighten up the radius of the chain assembly to reduce catching area and improve catching on the good area. Combine this with a deeper basket with a higher rim, and you could have a really solid catching device. The devil being in the details, of course.
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Craig » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:56 pm

Fritz wrote:I love the idea of 15M for a couple reasons, one major one, I think it's absolutely silly that you can jump putt from 33feet away. Doing a jump putt from 15M (49.2126') is a lot more realistic imo.


Yeah, and they should get rid of overhands and rollers, too - they look silly and some people are better at them than others. Straddle putts too - I think Kallstrom and Schultz look ridiculous, and they make too many of them.

I'm just being bitchy, because I am more comfortable with a jump putt from 35 feet than a regular putt from 29 feet.
I've worked on my jump putt, and it's made me more competitive. I'd hate to see it taken away from me for those distances. I know that it's intended to reward players who have developed the ability to consistently make 40 foot putts without jump putting, where I haven't.

To me, though, it sounds a lot like not allowing people to take a run-up on shots under 350 feet. It certainly benefits the very top players who are able to comfortably throw 350 feet from a standstill, at the expense of players like me who can't. I personally don't think Ken Climo needs any more advantages - (or, more to the point, I guess I think he can still excel even when lesser players are enjoying good consistency putting from 35 feet because of the jump putt).

What about my needs?

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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Chuck Kennedy » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:31 pm

Unfortunately, you have developed a putt that is likely illegal sometimes but players' eyesight isn't fast enough to see either way. Since you can't prove your innocence, that's the reason for the suggestion to move out the putting distance so you can always stay legal inside 15m or be obvious when you aren't.
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Fritz » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:03 pm

There is nothing different on a jump putt from 35' then one from 49'.

If you have problems at 40', you need to practice more. If you have problems at 29' you need to practice more...
You see where I'm going with this......

I saw how useful a thumber was and I wanted to have a thumber. So I practiced my ass off, and now I have a consistent 375' thumber which bails me out countless times. Did I bitch that it was a unfair shot because players that were better than me, practiced it, and got good at it? no, I practiced my ass off.

I wanted to be a great putter, I putted 50 putts from 15', 20', 25' and 30' , "normal" putting stance, and repeated the same straddle putt, everyday, 400 putts per day. After I got comfortable there, I switched to doing jump putts, 40, 45, 50 same thing and then putting from 15' the remaining 250 putts

Sorry if that sounds bitchy, but I'd like to see my hardwork and practice rewarded and not taken away with an unfair advantage given to people who can't make a 35' putt without jumping...
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Parks » Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:18 am

Fritz wrote:If you have problems at 40', you need to practice more. If you have problems at 29' you need to practice more...
You see where I'm going with this......


If you have problems at 100', you need to practice more. If you have problems at 60' you need to practice more...
You see where I'm going with this......

Fritz wrote:Sorry if that sounds bitchy, but I'd like to see my hardwork and practice rewarded and not taken away with an unfair advantage given to people who can't make a 35' putt without jumping...


All I've done is practice putts without stepping past my lie from 90'. Ron Russell style all day long. I'd like to see my hard work and practice rewarded and not taken away with an unfair advantage given to people who can't make a 90' putt without jumping...
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby nohr » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:01 am

So I was the OP. And my original question was just to figure out if my measurements were correct. I have 10' , 15' and 20' marked off with tape. I measured from the outside rim of my skillshot. Then I asked the question here. I learned that it was the pole not the outer edge of the basket. So my markings are really like 12' , 17' and 22' .

I don't think anything about disc golf is broken. Instead of asking for a better basket why can't we ask for better players.
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Frank Delicious » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:22 am

When you actually see how close 33' is, jump putting from that close looks really silly but it is legal (as long as your form is clean) so more power to you if you can't get a disc to fly 33' without jumping.
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Fritz » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:28 am

Parks wrote:
Fritz wrote:If you have problems at 40', you need to practice more. If you have problems at 29' you need to practice more...
You see where I'm going with this......


If you have problems at 100', you need to practice more. If you have problems at 60' you need to practice more...
You see where I'm going with this......

Fritz wrote:Sorry if that sounds bitchy, but I'd like to see my hardwork and practice rewarded and not taken away with an unfair advantage given to people who can't make a 35' putt without jumping...


All I've done is practice putts without stepping past my lie from 90'. Ron Russell style all day long. I'd like to see my hard work and practice rewarded and not taken away with an unfair advantage given to people who can't make a 90' putt without jumping...


100' I float the disc. Practice putts from 90' You got skillz man! :P
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Craig » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:58 pm

Chuck Kennedy wrote:Unfortunately, you have developed a putt that is likely illegal sometimes but players' eyesight isn't fast enough to see either way. Since you can't prove your innocence, that's the reason for the suggestion to move out the putting distance so you can always stay legal inside 15m or be obvious when you aren't.


Actually, I do a step-through putt, it is pretty easy to see that I let it go before my supporting point lifts off (I should have mentioned that before).
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby Craig » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:09 pm

Fritz wrote:
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I saw how useful a thumber was and I wanted to have a thumber. So I practiced my ass off, and now I have a consistent 375' thumber which bails me out countless times. Did I bitch that it was a unfair shot because players that were better than me, practiced it, and got good at it? no, I practiced my ass off.

I wanted to be a great putter, I putted 50 putts from 15', 20', 25' and 30' , "normal" putting stance, and repeated the same straddle putt, everyday, 400 putts per day. After I got comfortable there, I switched to doing jump putts, 40, 45, 50 same thing and then putting from 15' the remaining 250 putts

Sorry if that sounds bitchy, but I'd like to see my hardwork and practice rewarded and not taken away with an unfair advantage given to people who can't make a 35' putt without jumping...


I worked hard at learning to properly and legally execute a jump putt (or substitute some other legal shot, such as a thumber), and I'd like to see my practice rewarded, and not taken away with an unfair advantage given to people who prefer not to jump putt (or substitute some other legal shot, such as a thumber).

Do you see the irony here? That was my point in my original post - I guess I should have made the post longer.

And screw anyone else who disagrees with me.
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby veganray » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:15 pm

Craig wrote:And screw anyone else who disagrees with me.


Very succinct distillation of my personal philosophy. :D
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Re: Where does 10M start?

Postby rehder » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:18 am

Chuck Kennedy wrote:I think there's some chance the circle radius might be extended in the next rules update for 2011. I know Climo is lobbying for moving it to 15m when talking with him about putting issues last year.



so originally I thought this was a good idea, and basically I still do. But then I came to realize that you cant do the falling forward when putting from the knees, until you are 15m out, and that is too far. I mean I have seen a bunch of the putts climo has done from his knees, which would probably be illegal under the new rules.
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