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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Chuck Kennedy » Fri May 21, 2010 8:18 am

I'm going to see if I can get some pics of the 2 Epics my buddy carries. Trust me, there's no way "normal wear and tear" could ever make discs look like this.

The Epic is specifically designed to be tuned and was PDGA Approved (now grandfathered) with the Tech Standards guys (before my time) knowing that was the nature of the product. So it would be legal under the rules to tune the disc per manufacturer instructions. If tuning was against the rules, a statement would have been made by Tech Standards excluding that if it were not going to be allowed.
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Timko » Fri May 21, 2010 8:31 am

So post-manufacturer modifications are allowed if the disc is intended to me modified after manufacturing?
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby veganray » Fri May 21, 2010 8:32 am

So are you saying you believe it is legal to tune an Epic, but no other disc? Just because Aerobie includes tuning instructions in the disc's packaging? That is absolutely ridiculous.

Sounds like an attempt to start a wild goose chase. Call me Nostradamus.
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Timko » Fri May 21, 2010 9:09 am

Who's on the committee for revising the rules for the 2011 release?
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Frank Delicious » Fri May 21, 2010 9:44 am

A couple of guys around here bend their discs before throwing but don't do it to tune them. They do it when they are nervous and/or trying to make an important shot. Can I call them out on tuning their discs?

Serious question.
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Chuck Kennedy » Fri May 21, 2010 9:50 am

Who's on the committee for revising the rules for the 2011 release?

Conrad Damon (Chair), Dr Rick Voakes, Harold Duvall, Shawn Sinclair, Peter Bygde, Jim Garnett.
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby veganray » Fri May 21, 2010 10:04 am

Frank Delicious wrote:A couple of guys around here bend their discs before throwing but don't do it to tune them. They do it when they are nervous and/or trying to make an important shot. Can I call them out on tuning their discs?

Serious question.

If if could be demonstrated that their bending altered the original flight characteristics of the disc, they are in violation. No mention of intent in the rule.

It could be a potentially devastating psychological play, giving the already-nervous player yet one more thing to worry about when faced with a 'pressure' shot.
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Frank Delicious » Fri May 21, 2010 10:07 am

veganray wrote:It could be a potentially devastating psychological play, giving the already-nervous player yet one more thing to worry about when faced with a 'pressure' shot.


That is pretty much what I was thinking.
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby MR. WICK » Fri May 21, 2010 11:03 am

If bending a disc = tuning then all bending = tuning no matter how small it is. Even a small bend or knick can alter the characteristics, the rule doesn't specify how small or large the modification needs to be. Could be a little flex in the hand with your putter...or a big huge crease in an epic. It's all the same thing, so yeah you can call them on it if you are willing to do that.

Is it ok to bend a disc back after you hit a tree with it? If it is tuning should be legal too. Bending the disc back is altering it's flight, it's imposible to return a disc to it's "original" flight characteristics. So after that tree hit and bend back...that's a tuned disc and by the rule illegal for play.

It's a real slippery slope if you want to start calling out people for bending epics or any other disc for that matter. More trouble than it's worth. Plus there is no way to prove that a disc is altered (unless you see someone do it), and virtually no way to enforce it. People have attempted to say I was tuning an epic on the tee before. It doesn't work.

Why is it illegal to tune anyway? you still have to throw the disc properly to succeed.
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Yehosha » Fri May 21, 2010 11:31 am

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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby veganray » Fri May 21, 2010 11:35 am

If vigorously enforcing the rules and trying to find ways within the rules to maximize my probability of winning an event makes me a douchebag, I will gladly wear that moniker with honor. I thank you, dancing badger.
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby J2 » Fri May 21, 2010 12:01 pm

wow...calling someone on "tuning" as they are getting ready for a shot and just fiddling the disc in their hands, with obviously no intent for changing the disc is a dick move. I hope I never play a round with someone that treats the game that way.

edit: I havent actually tuned a disc, but maybe ill try it to speed up turning one of my eagles understable
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby veganray » Fri May 21, 2010 12:06 pm

Dick and douchebag. Quite a lovely collection of personal attacks I am amassing for my apparently unreasonable insistence that the folks with whom I play follow the rules.

Anybody else wanna fire in?
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Jsw » Fri May 21, 2010 12:11 pm

veganray wrote:Dick and douchebag. Quite a lovely collection of personal attacks I am amassing for my apparently unreasonable insistence that the folks with whom I play follow the rules.

Anybody else wanna fire in?


Sure, I've always thought you were kind of a blow-hard. :D
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Re: Tuning a disc

Postby Timko » Fri May 21, 2010 12:12 pm

Debate. Don't insult.
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