Wrist roll help

[JKP]

I dont roll it over on the straddle push putt, but i dont have any distance either

[Blake_T]

if you are rolling over then either:

a) you are holding the disc at a greater hyzer angle than you are intending to release it. e.g. holding the left edge of the disc tilted down 30 degrees and then trying to launch it flat.

b) your putting stance has your shoulder orientation pointing to the right. that is, your right shoulder is ahead of your left shoulder.

[JKP]

if you are rolling over then either:

a) you are holding the disc at a greater hyzer angle than you are intending to release it. e.g. holding the left edge of the disc tilted down 30 degrees and then trying to launch it flat.

b) your putting stance has your shoulder orientation pointing to the right. that is, your right shoulder is ahead of your left shoulder.

B is the correct answer.. Ive been practicing the spaddled stance and im hitting really well within 20-25 feet. But outside of that i dont have the power to get it there. Should i keep my hand as shown in the picture? Or crank it a 1/4 a turn to add spin?

[Blake_T]

adding spin won't add power.

increasing weight shift, height, etc. are what adds power. adding fingers to the rim also increases power. i use index and pinkey on the rim wall, adding more will add more power but make it more difficult to release the disc.

decreasing putter weight also helps in increasing carry.

as for putting, it doesn't really matter what it looks like at the start as long as it looks like the extended wrist position at the finish. spin should not be the emphasis.

[masterbeato]

with putting I have no idea if I am extending or not.

I can easily tell if I am not fro driving even though I never NOT extend my wrist while driving.

so less pop i am guessing would be the look of it as well as missing left and having it fall out of my hand.

[JKP]

adding spin won't add power.

increasing weight shift, height, etc. are what adds power. adding fingers to the rim also increases power. i use index and pinkey on the rim wall, adding more will add more power but make it more difficult to release the disc.

decreasing putter weight also helps in increasing carry.

as for putting, it doesn't really matter what it looks like at the start as long as it looks like the extended wrist position at the finish. spin should not be the emphasis.

I dont want to go to low of a weight because wind would effect it though right? say 165 is low as i should go? I dont see how spin isnt an important roll?

[rehder]

wind wont affect the flight of the putt if you putt clean. The only thing wind might do, is push the disc more while in your hand, making it feel a little unstable. This has led me to miss putts, but I think its more due to bad putting technique than the light weight. But in my experience if you putt with confidence and power (Im not talking about smashing it in the chains, but if you look at the pros who pitchputt you will see that there is some power in them), then lighter weight shouldnt be an issue.

[Blake_T]

I dont want to go to low of a weight because wind would effect it though right? say 165 is low as i should go? I dont see how spin isnt an important roll?

mold is more important than weight to a point. 164 is about the lowest i'd recommend.
spin is only important in a sense that you don't want to put too little or too much on a putt. too much really isn't an issue since you can't spin it more than it "should" but the focus shouldn't be on trying to spin it. similarly the focus shoudln't be on trying to not spin it.

[JKP]

Main focus is keeping it flat straight, but spins needed.. But more push power

[Blake_T]

the way i see it is, i make zero effort to spin the disc, it just so happens to spin by the way i release it. how much spin is on the putter is dictated by how much finger spring you have, how many fingers you have on the rim, and how much rotation around the putter there is when you go from your starting point to the ejection point. if you putt with wrist extension at all, you will have "enough" spin and there's no need to attempt to add more. shifting the center of your grip around the putter towards 12 o'clock will increase spin, but you don't have to try to spin it more to get more spin, it just happens to spin more when your grip starts with more wrist bend.

attempting to add more spin won't really do much except for increasing the # of things that can go wrong during your putt.

[JKP]

thanks for the help.. now practice time

[JHern]

the way i see it is, i make zero effort to spin the disc, it just so happens to spin by the way i release it.

I've had a dramatic improvement recently in my putts by focusing on pushing off the heel of my hand while snapping the wrist open. This little hinge action is all the spin I get and it seems to be plenty. A buddy of mine uses the turbo putt effectively within about 40' and it has no spin at all. With a good clean release pretty much straight forward (and slightly up) and the nose slightly down the disc will just coast right into the basket without fade or anything. If I'm a bit further away and miss it is also OK since the disc hits the ground pretty much flat and stops dead. Only if there are obstacles and such do I have to float it up and hope for the right fade, turn it over, etc..

[masterbeato]

mold is more important than weight to a point. 164 is about the lowest i'd recommend.
spin is only important in a sense that you don't want to put too little or too much on a putt. too much really isn't an issue since you can't spin it more than it "should" but the focus shouldn't be on trying to spin it. similarly the focus shoudln't be on trying to not spin it.

that alone should have ended the conversation.....

next question...?

[RustyP]

I know this thread was originally about wrist roll problems...so would it be helpful if we started a new thread dedicated solely to teaching/discussing the short-arm pitch putt?

[disc junkie]

I know this thread was originally about wrist roll problems...so would it be helpful if we started a new thread dedicated solely to teaching/discussing the short-arm pitch putt?

To quote my buddy Dragon

"YEP"