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Re: Snap 2009

Postby Bradley Walker » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:14 pm

inacmind7 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2RNcy0_qo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2FHambrickMemorial2009&feature=player_profilepage

Avery supposedly throwing a 549' hyzer.


Holy shit. :shock:
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby Blink » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:18 pm

inacmind7 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2RNcy0_qo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2FHambrickMemorial2009&feature=player_profilepage

Avery supposedly throwing a 549' hyzer.


I saw a vid of Avery throwing another laaaarge hyzer at the High plains challenge in Colorado. One guy in the group says "Oh. He just throws a big hyzer..."

Hereyago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRj8YMEEinU

Edit: The more I watch this vid, the farther he seems to be throwing.
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby black udder » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:03 pm

LOL - that is freakin' awesome! I love the guys talking in the background...hehehe. There's a reason Avery is known as one of the longest throwers :P I'll bet all sorts of lines open up to him on a course! :D
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby Flipflat » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:16 pm

Blink wrote:
inacmind7 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2RNcy0_qo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2FHambrickMemorial2009&feature=player_profilepage

Avery supposedly throwing a 549' hyzer.


I saw a vid of Avery throwing another laaaarge hyzer at the High plains challenge in Colorado. One guy in the group says "Oh. He just throws a big hyzer..."

Hereyago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRj8YMEEinU

Edit: The more I watch this vid, the farther he seems to be throwing.


Damn, looks more like a UFO fly-by.
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby zj1002 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:18 pm

i just like watching all these videos. screw the snap. give me more videos!!
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby steezo » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:38 pm

Bradley Walker wrote:
inacmind7 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2RNcy0_qo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2FHambrickMemorial2009&feature=player_profilepage

Avery supposedly throwing a 549' hyzer.


Holy shit. :shock:


I looked at the tee sign and thought it looked like 375ft. And it is. http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=131&mode=hi So Avery must have over thrown the hole by just a little bit. :wink:
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby JR » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:16 am

Bradley Walker wrote:snipped this is a Snap thread and somehow it became a thread highlighting the players of Europe.


What would you expect with a possibility of an article in the air about snap? The natives do get restless when candy is swung in front of them just out of reach :-D When I joined this forum some years ago I started a snap thread that had a lot of hits. I volunteered to become a guinea pig to try to learn snap and write a recipe for it with how tos detailing how to perform it. Not just describing it. Like I mentioned then it's necessarily a long term project due to my injuries slowing available training methods. I'm still capped by lack of strength for example. I don't know if or when I'll be able to train enough and hard enough to get big snap to verify my suspicions of how to get it. That's why I'm not yet equipped with enough personal experience to write an article. Hopefully some day I'll be able to pull that off if you or somebody else doesn't do it first.

Because you already do have big snap and are good at describing complex events in writing I wouldn't mind at all if you wrote a how to snap article :-D Until then you better get used to the zeal of others to get it. Any way they can. Or trying to pass the time in the wait of the holy grail hee hee.

Anyway that throw of Joonas you pointed out is quite valuable for people to see what it look like ain't it? So I don't view that sidetrack as long as the end game is reached.

I dropped so many questions in that snap thread I started that if every detail were to be listed it would've been over a hundred if I weren't trying to compress things to fewer by lumping many things together and not asking all the related questions about interactions of specific questions I made. If I'm able to make such a huge list coming to this forum I think many others are equally lost in the beginning as well. Therefore a detailed how to of even one style is necessarily gonna be either a compressed version or a series. Or we won't rise above the current situation of having to fill in many blanks of the current articles. Or explaining what the currently available articles are trying to show and telling how it's drilled actually. I have hunch that a set of drills needs to accompany a how to article to cut the need to repeat old explanations here at the forum.
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby inacmind7 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:07 pm

steezo wrote:
Bradley Walker wrote:
inacmind7 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2RNcy0_qo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2FHambrickMemorial2009&feature=player_profilepage

Avery supposedly throwing a 549' hyzer.


Holy shit. :shock:


I looked at the tee sign and thought it looked like 375ft. And it is. http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=131&mode=hi So Avery must have over thrown the hole by just a little bit. :wink:


That's why I said "supposedly," because I didn't really think it was that far but didn't put through the effort into finding out. They could have changed the hole for the tournament (if the guy was correct in saying it was a 550' hole). The person that put the video on said that his total distance on a hyzer line so he may have used google earth and did the path of the disc. Probably still doesn't equal 549'.
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby Bradley Walker » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:12 pm

JR wrote:
Because you already do have big snap


I snap Rocs pretty well. I do not have big snap.
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby JR » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:03 am

Bradley Walker wrote:
JR wrote:
Because you already do have big snap


I snap Rocs pretty well. I do not have big snap.


You've gotten Teerexes pretty far on occasion haven't you? Don't remember how far beyond 500' the couple goodies went you mentioned month ago. Sounds like big snap to me :-)
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby Bradley Walker » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:09 am

JR wrote:
Bradley Walker wrote:
JR wrote:
Because you already do have big snap


I snap Rocs pretty well. I do not have big snap.


You've gotten Teerexes pretty far on occasion haven't you? Don't remember how far beyond 500' the couple goodies went you mentioned month ago. Sounds like big snap to me :-)


My longest throw in a field was 540'.

I have about 425 line drive power on average with occasional 450-475 drives. Big snap is in the 475 plus range on a line drive *on average*. I have seen guys with big snap, I am under no delusion I am one of them (Barry Shultz for example has monster snap).

I only say that I do not have big snap because there are guys that do. I have slightly above average Advanced player power.
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby Bradley Walker » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:49 pm

For the Donkeypuncher and Rusty.

Massive power zone power.
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby dgdave » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:48 pm

Is the power zone from the right pec through the hit?
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby black udder » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:49 pm

dgdave wrote:Is the power zone from the right pec through the hit?


I think it's a little past the right pec to the finish.

I love that guys form, too, Brad. He really lays into it.
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Re: Snap 2009

Postby Sopuli » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:16 pm

Hi to everyone, I've lurked on this website for a while but finally thought that I need to register to ask some questions. I've read the excellent techique primer collection thread, and a whole lot of other stuff here. First of all, thanks for this wonderful site, hands down the most educational disc golf site I've found. Hope you don't mind me using this thread, didn't want to create a new one, since I don't want to clutter the forum with my noob questions. Well at least this post is going to cover some snap, or more precisely the total lack of it. :mrgreen:

Ok, so I've started playing disc golf late last summer, didn't really get much practice then and almost gave up on it out of frustration, but my friends got me hooked this summer, and I haven't really done much else than just played rounds on my local course and practised my driving at the same place (not much players there). When I got excited about this sport, I of course started browsing youtube material etc. on the internet, and that brought me to the conclusion that my form absolutely sucks. I've read enough material here that I can conclude that I don't have any snap at all, and I'm most likely just strong-arming the disc. My drives all end up somewhere around 280ft and I just can't get them any further with my form. I've of course done all the beginners mistakes by purchasing a much too overstable driver at the beginning (Star Beast) and not concentrated on the bare essentials enough. This lead me to driving (RHBH) so that I compensate for the discs stability. I've naturally stopped that now and purchased some less stable discs, and can drive a teebird or a sidewinder pretty straight across the fairway with a small fade in the end, but as I said earlier my distance just plain sucks, probably due to the lack of any snap/hip explosion in my throw.

I just ordered 3 DX Gazelles for practicing purposes and plan on to go to the course tomorrow just to drive with them (and perhaps my putters/mids). I've tried different grips for achieving the snap, but I just can't nail it down. I'm using the normal four finger power grip, with all fingers on the rim, and I'm not releasing the disc, it does force it's way out of my hand but without any signifigant feeling of power, and in those rare moments that it seems to get more power, it's always a late release going to the right or a terrible anhyzer straight to the right (to the ground). I can't get my hand comfortable with the Climo grip, and while I feel I can be more accurate with a two finger power grip, again I feel like I lose power with it. It seems that incorporating all the stuff I've read to the actual drive just isn't as easy as it would seem, and all my buddies that I play with suck at least as much as I do, so no help there. And living in Finland, well, there just doesn't seem to be any pro players on the courses that I can play on, so I can't ask for any advice.

When I look the pros throw in youtube (watched for example the japan open clips) it all seems so effortless and they seem to be getting much much more spin in all of their throws, even short ones. I've now started to work on the Dan Beto hit backwards method (excellent vid btw), but while I can even incorporate the x-step and feel comfortable with it, and get some decent hip rotation with it, it seems that the grip/release just always messes my drives up, I just can't "get" the snap thing. So any advice is much appreciated, what should I work on? Just driving from a standstill? Any special things I should focus on? Any methods that could make me realize just what exactly does a good snap consist of?
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