jubuttib wrote: Lithicon wrote:
Heh, it's hard to correlate that for most people in terms of throwing a disc especially the way you explained it there as there are lots of variables into cornering that I personally can't relate. Just that conservation of momentum, which does essentially correlate both in this sense. I'm going to assume that's what you meant, and not start a cornering debate in this thread.
What I kinda sorta meant was that the entry to a corner from the outside is the reachback, you try to get in as tight to the apex as you can (get the disc tight to your chest, apex of the corner sort of being the equivalent of your right peck in the throw) and then you find the perfect spot to accelerate out of the corner and hit the exit of the corner on the outside again (accelerating late from your chest and releasing the disc in front of you) with maximum acceleration to get the most speed on the following straight (getting the most disc speed, not arm speed).
Depending on the corner, the fastest way through the corner itself is often to go in as fast as you can and brake right through the corner. This can get you through the corner phenomenally fast, but the downside is that your car is pretty much parked at the exit, and everyone who braked for the corner entry properly will now be overtaking you. You just saved maybe a 1/10th of a second on the corner but lost 3-5 seconds on the straight. This reminds me of trying to accelerate the disc as hard as you can right from the start and then just ending up slowing down on the point of release. You got through the throwing motion more quickly but you didn't get any speed on the disc. Starting slow and accelerating only when the time is right will have you accelerating through the hit (or the exit of the corner) and gets your disc farther out there and your car to the next corner faster.
But yeah, enough of this. =)
This is why I said I didn't want to make a cornering discussion in this thread, because it derails the topic. Lol. Using one profession to explain a simple task isn't easy when most people don't understand proper cornering. It might help 1 person, but ultimately doesn't add to the topic greatly. Not to say you weren't trying, it's just hard for most people to grasp concepts like that and often confuses them more. I can kind of see your reasoning in this, but I honestly doubt most people get it.
Conservation of momentum coming into the power zone then exploding out is the goal. Easy in, fast out. As Blake said before, the speed gained from the power zone out is the only important part. If you pull 70 into the power zone, but decrease to 40-50 through to the hit, you're wasting power. It doesn't matter how fast you go into the power zone, IT ONLY matters that you come out of the power zone faster than you went into it. The acceleration to the hit is what builds the power that "CAN" lead to a big hit. This is why the Right pec drill works so well in a way, it's focusing you not to pull till your hit the power zone. But, you need to have the timing correct to make the hit happen correctly. It will happen regardless, but you might not be HITTING it.
emiller3 wrote:So I admit, I stopped following this thread for a while. Sorry if I'm dumping this in the middle of some big discussion.
After trying the towel drill on and off through the last year, all I've gotten is a wooshing sound. Tonight, I finally got a CRACK, and it was music to my ears. Towel went straight out, popped HARD, and followed through like Blake's excellent diagram on page 5 indicated. I'm hopeful I can reproduce this with a disc in my hand at some point, I know it's tough.
My question is, what does it mean? Am I getting good wrist extension? Or is it late acceleration? Or does it just mean my timing was on? Body placement was on? What, if anything, is going to happen if I hit it like this with a disc in my hand?
It could mean all of them, and it could mean part of it. It can be hard to tell, timing is more than likely the thing with some late acceleration. Wrist extension is the hardest to get, but could very well be in effect.
What, if anything, is going to happen if I hit it like this with a disc in my hand?
THIS PART, is up to you. What you do with this feeling you got from snapping the towel, if you learn from that and can translate it to the disc, it will help. BUT, that's where you have to start practicing like you're snapping the towel when you get a disc in your hand and make that change, don't just go back to throwing the disc just like you've been doing.