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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby cornelius » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:22 pm

so just do the sidearm hammer backwards?
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby masterbeato » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:30 pm

no go through the sidearm motion with wrist extension at the end, and stop and notice where the disc is positioned at that point....its a backhand right? yes, and go through the back hand motion from there with wrist extension at the end.
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby cornelius » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:56 pm

and then just go back and forth?
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby keltik » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:11 pm

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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby masterbeato » Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:15 pm

cornelius wrote:and then just go back and forth?


yes sir!
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby thuracine187 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:42 am

which is more important late acceleration or disc pivot? which should i focus on?
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby USAnarchy » Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:19 am

thuracine187 wrote:which is more important late acceleration or disc pivot? which should i focus on?


If you focus on the disc pivot using these exercises and really, truly get the "Feel" down, then when you work on late acceleration, you will be able to "Feel" if you are still "Pounding The Hammer" and getting the disc to pivot.

That is the beauty of these exercises. If you do it wrong it doesn't "Feel" right; but you have to spend the time learning what it "Feels" like first to know when its missing.

In fact, i would go so far as to mention that this might be a good primer for you to do before each round of disc golf.

As far as aiming, Blake told me something that got me very excited.

When you are "Pounding The Hammer" backwards, basically starting at the right pec drill starting point, notice where your arm finishes. More than likely your elbow is slightly bent and your arm is pretty much in line with your shoulder.

Now look down your arm to your hand. Where is your thumb pointing? Exactly where you should be aiming, as this is where the disc is going to go.

Its so simple, i almost didnt believe it until the next day, but damn skippy! if that isnt exactly where the disc comes out of my hand everytime. That right there alone is worth anyone using these exercises.

Blake, would you mind reiterating your newer style baseball swing correlation? I think the differences between the two styles really translated well with me on the phone the other night and should be able to help others as well.
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby krik72 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:33 am

So after two sessions out in the field after practicing the techniques I was able to get consistently get a loud *snap* while releasing the disc RHBH in addition to another 30' added to my drives consistently. Im still incorporating it so Im expecting some extra distance in the near future thanks for all the work and write ups everyone :).

One overall question, in these drills is the point to get the disc really moving and then clamp down or simply to feel the manipulation?

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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby USAnarchy » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:03 am

Both.

Well, i say both. Yes you should still be trying to grip it at the last second, but yes their main goal is for you to learn what a correct throw "Feels" like including the manipulations so that when you do not perform it correctly, you can make the changes needed for your next throw.

i have started to pound the hammer a few times before i get on the tee pad, and then once im on the tee pad, i pound the hammer one more time and pause it at the end so that I know i am aiming where i think i am aiming.
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remember, one goal of practicing these exercises is so it becomes second nature and you no longer have to think about it. Thinking is dangerous when you are on the tee pad. I can only tell you that the majority of the time that I am thinking to try and do a certain thing, i end up doing a negative version of it. If i just trust my shot, and trust my line, then good things generally happen.

[edit: as someone pointed out to me, I need to state that there is a difference between figuring out your plan of attack for the hole, and thinking something like "Dont Hit That Tree" which causes you to subconsciously focus on the tree, thus causing you to hit it. ]
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby masterbeato » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:36 am

USAnarchy wrote:
thuracine187 wrote:which is more important late acceleration or disc pivot? which should i focus on?


That is the beauty of these exercises. If you do it wrong it doesn't "Feel" right;



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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby maxarinkel » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:51 am

So I guess for the record, I managed to develop a usable 250-300' forehand after going out and messing with this drill in my fieldwork today. That's pretty awesome. I feel like a dope for not being able to figure this out sooner, but I'm pretty grateful for the write-ups and info. Thanks!
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby USAnarchy » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:54 am

That is kind of the point of these exercises. So easy a cave man can do them.
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby XvileX » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:06 pm

Ok. I've been doing some thinking after my field practice sessions and I think this is a good place for me to ask the question with the given scenario and trying to work these drills.

In short the questions are: What can make you NOT get snap? Is it possible to get snap without wrist extension?

There is a lot of talk about how TO get snap, and maybe thinking about it backwards will get us going in a different direction to solve the problem and assist with these drills. I think I may be a unique case, although I could easily be wrong. :D When throwing normally I get MASSIVE snap. It sounds like I just WWF chopped somebody's chest. It's ridiculous. But even with that I'm only getting about to around 290 - 310'. When throwing normally, I can't say that I actively try to open my wrist like I do when I'm pounding the hammer.

When I've been working on these backhand hammer drills, I lose all of my snap and the disc feels like it's slipping out early. When it does slip out I can tell that I had everything else right, just something at the end fell apart. Also, when it's leaving my hand I can feel that my grip is just about to apex and there is a little pfft sound that I can hear the disc pulls off my first THREE fingers. (My normal snap is solely from my index finger.)

Any thoughts on this??
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby jubuttib » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:18 pm

XvileX wrote:Ok. I've been doing some thinking after my field practice sessions and I think this is a good place for me to ask the question with the given scenario and trying to work these drills.

In short the questions are: What can make you NOT get snap? Is it possible to get snap without wrist extension?

There is a lot of talk about how TO get snap, and maybe thinking about it backwards will get us going in a different direction to solve the problem and assist with these drills. I think I may be a unique case, although I could easily be wrong. :D When throwing normally I get MASSIVE snap. It sounds like I just WWF chopped somebody's chest. It's ridiculous. But even with that I'm only getting about to around 290 - 310'. When throwing normally, I can't say that I actively try to open my wrist like I do when I'm pounding the hammer.

When I've been working on these backhand hammer drills, I lose all of my snap and the disc feels like it's slipping out early. When it does slip out I can tell that I had everything else right, just something at the end fell apart. Also, when it's leaving my hand I can feel that my grip is just about to apex and there is a little pfft sound that I can hear the disc pulls off my first THREE fingers. (My normal snap is solely from my index finger.)

Any thoughts on this??

The audible *snap* sound has NOTHING to do with the snap we're talking about. =)
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Re: super sekret teqniques

Postby XvileX » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:25 pm

Well, ain't that about a bitch. Ha!

Guess I've been looking for the wrong things for a LONG time. I thought the two were directly related. :|
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