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Re: The "Incomplete" Secret Technique

Postby pask2155 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:46 pm

how long do you do this until it takes effect?

Essentially I did all the drills today, watched all the videos, read a ton, and did more drills... Then today went out into the field and I lost major distance... I went from throwing 330' easy to 250-270' and all my throws seems to rocket way up in the sky or stay about 5 feet off the ground and then worm burn.... Obviously my control and my consistency is way off...

So back to the question... this is obviously very frustrating... So how fast is this supposed to take effect?

Also how am I supposed to throw at the beginning... After I do the drills then I actually of to the field to I cross step, reach back, the whole nine yards of throwing? Or do you stand still with doing nothing but the reach back and hammer? Or just hammer? Anyhow... please let me know... you guys have been very helpful, hopefully soon I can get 400+ soon...
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Re: The "Incomplete" Secret Technique

Postby Star Shark » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:44 am

Incorporating any new technique into your game is gonna totally bork up your consistency and/or accuracy. The key is to stick with it until you've fully processed the feel for it.
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Re: The "Incomplete" Secret Technique

Postby Blake_T » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:45 pm

the goal of these drills isn't to just throw far, but to feel the disc differently/better when you throw so that you can snap it better.

if you aren't able to have any success at it then you are doing it wrong. it's up to you if you want to keep futzing with it until you get it right or just give up on it.

if you are worm burning and skying, i'm almost certain your shoulder rotation timing and manipulation of the disc's center of gravity are way off.

when this style works for people they tend to "feel something different that feels better" pretty quickly (e.g. the first 10 throws) even if they aren't able to master it right away.
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Re: The "Incomplete" Secret Technique

Postby pask2155 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:30 pm

I guess my question is how do you know when you have the right amount of snap? Because I think I have the idea down but at the same time I'm not throwing any further then before. And the reason this technique becomes such a big thing is because they say without enough snap you will never throw 400'.

So how do you know if you have enough?
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Re: The "Incomplete" Secret Technique

Postby JR » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:22 pm

See the diagram for slip vs half hit vs full hit in the other thread. Once you're getting the rip at full hit territory and the disc leaves the fingers pivoted to at least 3.30 o'clock preferably more and get over 350' with long mids and over 400' with TBs you know you've made strides and should get a lot more distance from warp speeders. I'm a half hitter and before the snap (mostly elbow chop and squeeze strength advances) improvements this year i made a test last fall. I tried to lock my wrist in place and got 350' max and warp speeders and TBs were almost as long. TB max to 340' IIRC. Loosening the arm and allowing the wrist to move popped the discs to past 400' at best.
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Re: The "Incomplete" Secret Technique

Postby Blake_T » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:32 pm

Half hit discs with reference points (distances are approximate)
Roc: ~330
Buzzz: ~350
Teebird: ~410
Destroyer: ~430
Nuke: ~450

Full hit distances (approximate)
Roc: ~360+
Buzzz: ~380+
Teebird: ~440+
destroyer: ~460+
nuke: ~480+

the goal of the drill is not to achieve the same thing. The goal is to feel something different that you dont feel in your normal throw.
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