Reach back

[vtbuzzz]

So yesterday during my 4th round I finally realized that I was not reaching back on my drives and kept releasing them either hyzer and annhyzer...well I tried it on a few drives and was able to release flat with such ease and I generated enough spin to finally flip a predator and drive it 350 feet for the first time... and now my valks are probably going to be to flippy. Should I start releasing them w/ more hyzer or should I move up to something more stable like a force? Any advice maybe a lat 64 disc I could try.

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[JR]

I think it is more likely that a Pred wouldn't flip at that distance at least without winds. OAT is likely but if your disc is trashed perhaps then it was a clean throw.

[vtbuzzz]

So are you saying it may not have been a clean release?

Hiking is just walking where its ok to pee

[JR]

I just read that the new run of Z Preds are less HSS than the ones we're accustomed to so that is an alternative realistic explanation. Old fresh Z Preds won't flip on clean throws to 350'.

[vtbuzzz]

Well it was a fairly older esp pred...but in like newish condition def not beat enough to flip...and a bit of a head wind

Hiking is just walking where its ok to pee

[Jeronimo]

Thread title did not deliver.

[vtbuzzz]

what does that mean?

[vtbuzzz]

So no suggestions?

[turso]

You had OAT if you made it flip with that distance. And no, you don't need forces.

[JR]

Unless it was a freak swirl or gust in the wind the above comment would seem to be right.

[vtbuzzz]

I really need to get some video up here...do those new little hd video cameras work well at all? anyone have any experience with those?

[turso]

If you want something for analyzing your technique, you want to go hispeed cam way. Check the Casio's highspeed Exilim line out. They can take OK stills and do HD video as well as high framerate video for those all important slowmo bits.

[JR]

The lower end models are smaller and cheaper.

[masterbeato]

the esp preds get squirrely especially when they are a bit older and worn.

reaching back farther does not actually create more D unless you have big snap (430'+ power) already, and reaching back farther can create more OAT potential.

[Pwingles]

if your pred is flipping beat or not, itll still be more stable than your Valk, and stepping up to a force from the valk isnt the answer whether you OAT'd your throw or not. Watch beatos vids, and bradley walkers vids and they should get you on the right track.

Dan is right tho the more you start reaching back the more unnecessary movements there are, that can lead to improper pull through and it all just adds up to less D and accuracy/ consistency. When you are really consistent in Beto's methods i suggest experimenting with some things to see what gives you more D but as a template Beto's compact and explosive method is a great tool and good advice. To me I equate it to a big league ball player hitting. They all start off flailing around with the bat as kids, making contact sometimes and sometimes not. Then when they get a little older a coach shows them a way of being more consistent. Then they do it over and over and over until they are really good at it. Eventually they combine that advice with their own personal touch that makes them individual. Like how some batters stand in the box with a unique stance, but essentially all swing the bat the same way.