Frank Delicious wrote:and now we know the secret to your power. You are more machine than bear!
Anode|ION|JOKERi|MD2|FD|TD|PD|LEGENDaParks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.
jubuttib wrote:Well, to be totally honest he only threw like 410', slipping the disc the whole time. He proceeded to put his P2 a tad longer afterwards. Had he had the time/will to play around with the ION for longer who knows what he would've done.
We were a bit... Inebriated when we posted that video. =)
Redisculous wrote:In that discraft video, more distance now, it is stated that you don't need a massive wrist motion to get snap. This seems supported by Brad Walker's comments about resisting the bend of the wrist. So you might not suffer too much...
JR wrote:http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19641 contains the link and the discussion of that vid.
JHern wrote:Redisculous wrote:In that discraft video, more distance now, it is stated that you don't need a massive wrist motion to get snap. This seems supported by Brad Walker's comments about resisting the bend of the wrist. So you might not suffer too much...
...Wrong. What the dude is saying in the video is not to let your wrist flop around like a dead fish, which is what that guy had been doing previously. He showed him how to bring wrist strength into his throw by firming up his wrist motion, which added distance. There is a difference between motion and strength. Motion is the movement of the wrist, and strength is the force with which the wrist acts on the disc as the wrist moves. The product of force and movement is the total work performed by the wrist. The work done by the wrist is added to the total generated by all body motions and forces. It is partitioned between the translational kinetic energy of the disc m*v^2/2 and the rotational kinetic energy of the disc I*w^2/2 (m=mass, v=translational velocity, I=moment of inertia, w=spin rate). Strength makes a big difference for the same wrist motion.
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As described by Blake. The wrist will open to neutral/half open position due to inertia. This is as he describes it as half hitting essentially. The timing needed for actively opening the wrist past neutral is different than just passively letting the wrist open to half open. Because, this changes when the disc will come out of hand, so the timing is going to be off. You should work on actively opening the wrist doing Right pec drills, I've found this is the easiest way to insure the timing is attained easier. Blake constantly preached to me that until I learned to hit it, everything I done before that didn't really matter, as the entire throw would have to change slightly(and I'd actually get and feel why and how) to better facilitate the hit after I learned to hit.
That is why he preaches and stresses you get and learn pec timing/actively opening the wrist before you move on much farther. Once you learn that then you build the throw around it, as those are the biggest keys everyone lacks the most of when real power is in question.
As far as how to time the active wrist extension, it's even harder to time than when to pull, as it makes up even less of a micro-second in the entire throw. But, the way I understand it is that it's sort of like the "pec drill" in that there is a certain point you don't want to actively start to participate. Once the arm comes to near full extension and the forearm can't go forward anymore, the wrist is then forced to start opening as inertia overcomes it.
Now, there is a slight micro-second after it starts to open, before it comes to the neutral position. The way I understand it you want to start to actively participate in opening the wrist just after it starts to open due to inertia, but before it reaches the neutral position. The reason for this is to conserve energy produced by inertia, and not hinder it's potential, but to add to that potential. Which is essentially what the Right pec drill demonstrates to a degree.
As I said you want to take the energy from the inertia, THEN ADD TO IT. If you do, you'll multiply the inertia with your added active wrist extension/acceleration. Then it's almost like adding a whole new mini pec drill to your throw, the distance and power is only limited how well you harness it and control it. That's why you want to actively participate in opening the wrist JUST before the neutral position as this can mark the end of the throw if you don't. Now if you reach the neutral position before you actively start to open the wrist it's; well for all intents and purposes reaching the complete end of your throw too soon. And, the disc could Slip and you'll essentially be half hitting still.
Really hope this make sense. :p
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