If you guys go and read the ESP Cyclone thread, you'll find that we've discovered an anomaly in the newer ESP Cyclones. In particular, the newest runs contain some very domey Cyclones, and these fly completely differently than the earlier flatter runs of the ESP Cyclone. I have both kinds in my personal stock right now, and I'm still puzzling over how it works.
In summary, here is how it works:
-The new domey ESP Cyclone, flies like a long Comet. Extremely sensitive to OAT (wobble stays on the disc for many seconds after release), more difficult to control at high speeds, and very little LSS (almost no fade). It has excellent glide, and will fly straight a very long ways if you can get it on a clean wobble-free line with plenty o' spin.
-The older flat top ESP Cyclone, flies like a long Gazelle. Not sensitive to OAT (wobble bleeds off a second after release), very controllable even for sloppy releases, and strong LSS (strong fade). This disc will do almost everything (flex shots, hyzer flips, long anhyzers, etc.), it is a spectacular fairway driver (the best I ever threw).
Don't tell me that this isn't the way discs usually behave, I'm well aware of that, and so is everyone else, so don't waste our time exclaiming about it any more (go to the Cyclone thread instead if you need to get that out of your system). This Cyclone dichotomy is anomalous, and we don't understand why. Both kinds have exactly the same bottom, same tooling, same nose, same everything. But the top is completely different. Discraft claims that the difference is because the flat ones were smashed down when they were shipped, but I think this is nonsense because they all used to be flat (the domey ones only just recently appeared) and the width of the outer slope on the rim is also very different from the flat runs which suggests a completely different top mold piece was used. I suspect they were trying to get more stability and glide by trying a domier top, but screwed up and instead made a long Comet (OK, so they did get a lot of glide).
Anyways Peot, it sounds like you may have a long-Comet-esque domey ESP Cyclone. I can't speak for the Roc, since I don't throw them and there are as many variations in Roc runs as there are stars in the sky.
Drivers: Starlite Wraith (158g), Gummy Champion Leopard (150g), 1st Run Z-Talon (150g)
Mid-Range: Star Classic Roc (146g), R-Pro Roc (157g)
Putt/Approach: Legacy Protege Clozer (158g), Glow DX Aviar (150g)