roadkill wrote:I don't think you need thousands of dollars of grant money to commission a study and expensive equipment to draw conclusions on spin effects.
I've played rounds with players who are also competitive freestylers. It is no secret that these players throw with far greater spin than I do. From playing with these spinmeisters in a variety of conditions I've drawn conclusions by watching the flight of my shots vs the flight of their shots in various conditions. As I shared in a previous post my conclusion is that in calm conditions any difference is rather negligible. However in high wind conditions there are very obvious effects. When I play with these guys in the wind their shots appear to be thrown in say a 5mph wind. When I tee the wind appears to be in the range of 15 or even 20mph. My shots change elevation and line more drasticly as the wind victimizes my shots. Their's may be affected by the wind but to a much lesser degree. If you filmed us individually you'd think we were playing on different days in different conditions instead of the same foursome.
Weebl wrote:Blake, you say how a disc will always drop before it stops spinning, I agree but am a little perplexed as to the nature of the comment. With discs that have yin/yang die jobs Ive seen my drives rocket out with not much spin (1.5 revolutions per second) and by the time it starts fading, it's hyper spinning (4+ revolutions per second). This observation has perplexed me for a while now, and not quite sure how to interpret it as the other players with smooth form dont throw tie died discs, so I can't notice.
I think I need to experiment with a fork grip though for when distance is advantagious over 10' (L-R play) accuracy.
discmonkey42 wrote:This is actually an optical illusion. It is very similar to watching car rims or bicycle wheels spin. As you're watching a wheel spin on a car, it looks like the wheels are sometimes spinning backward, staying still, slowly spinning forward, etc. This has to do with how often your eye picks up the moving pattern. As the wheel slows, your eye "catches up" to the moving pattern and the wheel now looks like it is spinning faster right before it stops because you are seeing every revolution. You can't count on watching the dyed spot of a disc to count revolutions because it is spinning too fast for your eye to pick up every revolution. I'm sure someone else can explain it more clearly, but that's what you are seeing.
I'm not saying my anecdotal evidence and personal experience is proof. However since I've experienced the same results repeatedly many times it is enough for me to draw a conclusion. Conclusions can be personal unlike a law or universal thereom. I understand why others may not draw the same conclusions without having experienced the same thing.
A theory to me is based more on logic (thinking) and rational. When I draw conclusions, (repeated) personal life experience trumps academic theory everytime.
How do I know these freestylers throw with more spin? Because on occassion I've "served" freestylers and the receiving styler has too respin their nail delay much sooner when I'm serving than when their fellow styler/ discgolfer serves it.
Yes, when I noticed the flight differences we were usually throwing comparable discs (obviously not the exact same disc, but similar if not the same mold). The anecdotal evidence has happened too many times for me to ignore. My placing and round ratings at windy courses is more evidence that has been another telltale sign again and again. Brandywine is the windiest course in my area and I've had so many poor rounds there. I attribute it to the wind that is almost always present. One time I played it in the evening when it was calm and shot a lights out 45. My tourney average there is typically 59-62. I've never played in calm conditions there during a tourney (around 15-20 tourneys I've played there).
And if you think it's because I don't know how to play the wind I believe you're mistaken.
It could be that with less spin a disc will fade more and in the fade the underside of the disc can get exposed to the wind which could double or triple the length of this fade.
headwind cause my discs to rise and decrease their stable properties.
One is the 200-300' approach in a hard R to L crosswind.
I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility that a slight nose up could be killing me on my long approaches also. It doesn't look or feel that I'm nose up but it is a possibility.
roadkill wrote: The wind putting problem I'm pretty sure is due to the fact that my normal putt is noseup. This style of putt is an assest in calm conditions as I don't bounce out. I've maybe had one bounce out in the past 800 putts. But in windy conditions I get unpredictable rises. I try to change my disc's attitude for wind putts but it's not my natural shot
You just gotta make sure all you lies are upwind of the basket so you got that downwind putt LOL
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