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Postby Mars Volta » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:18 pm

Just got a pair of Chameleon II's, I've worn them for one round in wet conditions and my feet were just fine. They fit great on my wide feet too. I'll get back to you on durability.
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Postby Solbo » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:39 am

Mars Volta wrote:Just got a pair of Chameleon II's, I've worn them for one round in wet conditions and my feet were just fine. They fit great on my wide feet too. I'll get back to you on durability.


Probably be the one of the most durable pairs of shoes youve ever tried on the disc course, I used to know/work with a few Merrell reps, they are the best in the business.

Actually trying to get ahold of them again to talk disc golf features in their shoes.
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Postby disctribution » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:07 pm

disctribution wrote:Here's a review on the Merrell Chameleon Stretch II's. I wear a size 14 and am about 6'3 and 285lbs.

Well its a little early for a real in depth review but I'll post a first impression review:

I first opened the box and was impressed with how they looked. cool!

I loosened the laces and tried to slip my foot in..........huh? Are these too small? Checked the size......it's right. Looked for the directions so I could figure out how to put them on. Finally I just pulled them on but it took A LOT of force. Once i got them on they fit like a glove. They need a little 'break in' but they're decent.

Now I'm a big boy, so good shoes are critical. I played two rounds and feet were fine all day. The Merrells definately are not as ventilated as my North Face trail shoes were, but it was 100 degrees today so I'm not going to judge them yet. The most impressive feature of the shoes was the durability. 2 rounds on concrete tees with plenty of side-arm toe-dragging and not even a scratch on the vibram soles. Absolutely no sign of sole separation, which was already apparent on my North Face shoes at this point. In fact, I've already received a refund for them.

Overall I'm happy with cham stretch II's so far, but I will write more as time goes by. I'll probably also buy a pair of Salomon Pro 3D's and write a review on them too.


Well it's been about 4 months since I first put these on. I've pretty much been playing exclusively in these shoes. Today the lace snapped which pretty much makes these shoes paperweights until I can get them fixed. I'm going to try and get them fixed via the warranty but it still sucks to be out a good pair of shoes 3 days before a big tournament. Oh well. It was a fun 4 months, but I'm still searching for shoes that can last at least a year.
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Postby RoomTenONine » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:40 pm

I typically use New Balance trail "racers". The model is #790. These are not your typical trail runners from NB. They are like slippers with rugged soles. They only weigh 8oz each and the majority of the upper is a breathable mesh. You do sacrifice some support for the major loss in weight, but I find I don't need it on most DG courses and prefer the nimbleness it provides and I love the feel for teeing off.

http://www.nbwebexpress.com/newbalanceMR790CH.htm
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Postby Hoey » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:47 pm

I have a question about footwear...

Would it not stand to reason that you could do more damage to your knees in a new pair of really really grippy shoes?

I just thought about the ones I wear to the course, and at work, and everywhere else I may happen to go that is not one of these two.

I thought to myself that I should buy a new pair months ago, but low and behold, I still have the same pair... been about ( :oops: ) 17 months now.

I don't think they'll last 18 months, but I'm just thinking out loud now...
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Postby niuvalleycane » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:39 pm

terrainish courses Merrell Mid Ventilators with nice Smartwool socks, parkish courses NB Trailrunners with regular low cut socks. Both with inserts for comfort. I play better with happy feet 8)
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Postby disctribution » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:24 pm

bogies is dave wrote:I have a question about footwear...

Would it not stand to reason that you could do more damage to your knees in a new pair of really really grippy shoes?

I just thought about the ones I wear to the course, and at work, and everywhere else I may happen to go that is not one of these two.

I thought to myself that I should buy a new pair months ago, but low and behold, I still have the same pair... been about ( :oops: ) 17 months now.

I don't think they'll last 18 months, but I'm just thinking out loud now...


I agree with this theory. I believe that on concrete or rubber tees you should NOT have really grippy shoes. On dirt tees and anything else it doesn't matter. I believe your foot, ankle, and knee need to be allowed to perform the follow through. If your foot is stopped from pivoting by grip, you knee and ankle will take the full strain of the follow through.
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Postby JR » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:24 pm

disctribution wrote:
bogies is dave wrote:I have a question about footwear...

Would it not stand to reason that you could do more damage to your knees in a new pair of really really grippy shoes?

I just thought about the ones I wear to the course, and at work, and everywhere else I may happen to go that is not one of these two.

I thought to myself that I should buy a new pair months ago, but low and behold, I still have the same pair... been about ( :oops: ) 17 months now.

I don't think they'll last 18 months, but I'm just thinking out loud now...


I agree with this theory. I believe that on concrete or rubber tees you should NOT have really grippy shoes. On dirt tees and anything else it doesn't matter. I believe your foot, ankle, and knee need to be allowed to perform the follow through. If your foot is stopped from pivoting by grip, you knee and ankle will take the full strain of the follow through.


My trouble is I'm quite leg power dependent and the ground gets super wet during fall and grass separates at the roots from mud underneath. Currently my thinking is I'll buy rubber boots for water insulation and add warming layers inside. I found a rubber boot for orienteering that has the option of adding metal spikes to it. I'm gonna. Under 100$ is great news after reading reviews from orienteers about shoes for them that break thanks to weak glues for work safety at 200$.

This is the other end of the spectrum. I tried add on spikes that were a little over tenth of an inch tall and it's more than is allowed on practice fields with faux grass and is too sticky on rubber tees. I'll definitely keep the spikes at under 2 mm tall so that I can use the boots on practice fields. The spikes need to be wide flat tipped and hopefully a bit round at the bottom to avoid ripping clothes and puncturing skin.

That's the plan. Haven't went to the store yet to see what kind of spikes they have. Might wanna try these without spikes too just in case because I was really surprised about regular waders with soft gummy soles holding well on moist grass. Adding rubber nubs to the soles like in the wader for orienteers might work better than I imagine.

Not too optimistic though. Really afraid that nothing less than tall spikes penetrating lawn to mud is the only way to not slip around and fall down 4-5 times like last fall and this spring. That means very slow approach steps if it happens. I'll need to see how easy and quick it's to change spikes if tall spikes are needed. Wouldn't wanna hospitalize myself with an inch of steel in my calf.
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Postby Jaysus » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:00 am

disctribution wrote:
disctribution wrote:Here's a review on the Merrell Chameleon Stretch II's. .


Well it's been about 4 months since I first put these on. I've pretty much been playing exclusively in these shoes. Today the lace snapped which pretty much makes these shoes paperweights until I can get them fixed. I'm going to try and get them fixed via the warranty but it still sucks to be out a good pair of shoes 3 days before a big tournament. Oh well. It was a fun 4 months, but I'm still searching for shoes that can last at least a year.


If that is the shoe I think it is, you CAN get a regular shoe lace in there as a temporary replacement.
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Postby LumberJack » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:46 pm

When I first started throwing I wore some Vans Bucky Laseks... well made shoe, but sore feet.

Then I wore some Nike Shox, very comfortable, but not made to throw disc in as the sole started to separate.

So, last week I ordered a pair of Merrell Chameleon Wrap Gore Tex XCR's. This shoe is very comfortable and I hope it holds up. If it does I'll more than likely order the mid(low boot) version to compliment them for swampy/snowy weather.

I also ordered 2 pairs of Smartwool Adrenaline socks, $8.57 each. Bring on the Fall!
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Postby Solty » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:57 pm

I picked these up a few months ago....and so far..love them. Only complaint is that concrete tee's are wearing them down fast!

http://www.teva.com/ProductDetails.aspx ... uctID=6941

I got em on sale....only reason I got em. Yes they are ugly. They take a lil bit to get them on your feet as the shoe is actually a running shoe...with all the wrap to repel water. I forded a lil creek...and feet were bone dry!

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Postby J-Man » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:05 pm

Those Tevas look nice. For the last two years I wore Merrill Chameleon II's; not bad. The second season was not as dry or secure as the first. For the coming year I am awaiting delivery of these Bogs:
http://workingperson.com/products/22_353_45/1/7073/Bogs_Shoes:_Mens_Osmosis_Waterproof_Hiking_Shoes_51427.html?utm_content=7073&utm_campaign=ci&utm_medium=comp&utm_source=msnshopping&srccode=cii_9686437&cpncode=12-63901166-2
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Postby MIdiscgolfer » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:38 pm

Eric O wrote:It would certainly piss me off, if I saw someone tearing up the ground on the disc golf course in cleats. Bad form.

Of course, I couldn't speak for your neck of the woods but that's how it would be around here.

What kind of manicured courses do you play on that cleats would be a problem? Even on the mowed grass of a soccer field it takes 22 people constantly running in wet weather to tear it up. Not trying o be a smart a** just wondering if I'm missing something. :?
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Re: Questions on footwear

Postby some call me...tim? » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:16 am

courses around here, if they get any regular use, show significant wear and tear from normal foot traffic without cleats, especially in the wintertime.
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Re: Questions on footwear

Postby Timko » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:29 am

KC's "down under" course is a collection of short, super tight, technical holes with natural tees. This course gets a lot of play during the winter, and we normally have to level pads twice during the winter season due to cleat wear.
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