"NAGS" Zone

[Frank Delicious]

What I'm saying is putting in ball golf sucks and I hope we don't turn disc golf putting into it or some weird gimmicky version of actual putting.

[Fritz]

What I'm saying is putting in ball golf sucks and I hope we don't turn disc golf putting into it or some weird gimmicky version of actual putting.

I agree. I was a scratch golfer for many years before I switched to disc golf. I think we keep reverting and trying to piggy back on ball golf to much. There are far better ways to make disc golf more challenging then messing with the disc that is needed to putt with. There are so many other factors involved in putting, I think it's fine how it is.

A Pro putting inside 30' is equal to a Pro Ball Golfer putting inside 3' You almost never see a professional ball golfer miss a 3' putt. Ball golf deals with the way the grass is cut on the green, we deal with the direction of the wind.

I think we need to come up with ways to create "penalty traps" and I like the idea of a tree 15' from the basket. Makes you place your shot more accurately.

On a couple of our courses we have grassy areas which we have instructed the parks department to not mow. Some of the grass in those areas is 36" tall Some of it is even at the height that it can mess with your back swing and putt. Definitely makes you place your shots to not land in the "rough"

I must not travel in the proper professional circles, because I've never heard pros complain how easy it was to putt inside the 30' circle.

[Chuck Kennedy]

It all gets back to the complaint about how far under par the top pros are shooting. Changing the fundamental putting ratio is one of the only ways to fundamentally fix this problem on EVERY course. And no one likes the other option either (par 2s). A third option would be to only allow wooded fairways for disc golf courses where good hole designs can be done where the SSA and actual scores match the proper par on the holes. Open holes cannot be designed well without all kinds of OB hazards (ala Winthrop) and not have top players torch them. If they can't torch them, either they will be too long or the par is not set properly.

[Triflusal]

It all gets back to the complaint about how far under par the top pros are shooting. Changing the fundamental putting ratio is one of the only ways to fundamentally fix this problem on EVERY course. And no one likes the other option either (par 2s). A third option would be to only allow wooded fairways for disc golf courses where good hole designs can be done where the SSA and actual scores match the proper par on the holes. Open holes cannot be designed well without all kinds of OB hazards (ala Winthrop) and not have top players torch them. If they can't torch them, either they will be too long or the par is not set properly.

you seem to really really want disc golf to be exactly like golf.

[Kscustom]

This is pretty good thread. If you have played a super class tour I am not so sure about making pros use zyphers. I am not the best putter (getting better) but I hit 6-7 long putts with a zephyr. They can miss because they are so big but with practice I don't think it be a disadvantage. Also playiing am and puting in 1000 hours of practice the last year I would be discouraged if I had to learn the game all over just to make it pro. If you want to limit the top players I would say do it on the drive not on the putt. I have only played a little less than 2 years, and want to continue, in a sport growing as fast as dg why change it much when it is growing so fast? The formula works or it wouldn't be growing at the rate it is. But a true par system should be established. And hopefully any new courses going in are being well planned. I really like the articles in discgolfer keep em coming

[Pwingles]

This is pretty good thread. If you have played a super class tour I am not so sure about making pros use zyphers. I am not the best putter (getting better) but I hit 6-7 long putts with a zephyr. They can miss because they are so big but with practice I don't think it be a disadvantage. Also playiing am and puting in 1000 hours of practice the last year I would be discouraged if I had to learn the game all over just to make it pro. If you want to limit the top players I would say do it on the drive not on the putt. I have only played a little less than 2 years, and want to continue, in a sport growing as fast as dg why change it much when it is growing so fast? The formula works or it wouldn't be growing at the rate it is. But a true par system should be established. And hopefully any new courses going in are being well planned. I really like the articles in discgolfer keep em coming

Not to thread derail, but, 1000 hrs of putting only practice in a year is pretty difficult to do

[zj1002]

honestly. best DGR thread in a while. good stuff. even though I don't agree with being forced to use a certain disc it is a new idea

[BrotherDave]

What I'm saying is putting in ball golf sucks and I hope we don't turn disc golf putting into it or some weird gimmicky version of actual putting.

I'm with Frank here.

I would much rather have a rule where your shot before your putt has to be done with a super class disc or something rather than make people putt with certain discs.

Actually, the more I think about it, it would be kind of interesting if there was a rule where you had to throw a lid at least once every hole.

[Chuck Kennedy]

I'm neutral on making these changes. My ideas and discussion points are purely based on some options to solve the problems that some see. Ball golf apparently never had the problem because the cup and ball size seemed to be settled pretty long ago. However, they did use half pars at one time http://www.popeofslope.com/courserating/par4.html and must have decided they weren't needed once they established distance ranges where integer par values of 3, 4, 5 and 6 were just right.

[Working Stiff]

Really it's a solution to a perception problem. The perception for a lot of people is that -10 is too far under par. That perception comes from the comparison to ball golf. You either want to do something about it like large diameter putters or par 2's, or you can say "that's disc golf, get over it." Most of us are probably in the second group. Whether there is any real traction to the ideas probably depends on how many potential sponsors are in the first group.

[Chuck Kennedy]

That's why I'm neutral. I'm not sure it's a perceived problem that needs to be solved. Separate from this issue, I think a bigger problem is simply producing a better basket design, not necessarily smaller diameter.

[jubuttib]

Not to thread derail, but, 1000 hrs of putting only practice in a year is pretty difficult to do

Yep, that's about two hours and 45 minutes of putting practice every single day of the year. You're not gonna do that.

Though if you did, you'd be one hell of a putting machine after that. And probably have a sore back.

EDIT: For the heck of it, using two discs from around 25' I do about 6 putts a minute when practicing. Keep that up and it's 360 000 putts a year. Good practice. =)

[Fritz]

This is pretty good thread. If you have played a super class tour I am not so sure about making pros use zyphers. I am not the best putter (getting better) but I hit 6-7 long putts with a zephyr. They can miss because they are so big but with practice I don't think it be a disadvantage. Also playiing am and puting in 1000 hours of practice the last year I would be discouraged if I had to learn the game all over just to make it pro. If you want to limit the top players I would say do it on the drive not on the putt. I have only played a little less than 2 years, and want to continue, in a sport growing as fast as dg why change it much when it is growing so fast? The formula works or it wouldn't be growing at the rate it is. But a true par system should be established. And hopefully any new courses going in are being well planned. I really like the articles in discgolfer keep em coming

Not to thread derail, but, 1000 hrs of putting only practice in a year is pretty difficult to do

He didn't say putting, he said putting as in he is practicing a total of 1000 hours in general of disc golf I could see someone putting in that many hours of all around playing/practice.

Before I traveled so much, I was putting around 250 putts every night in my back yard from 3 distances, 10', 20' and 30'
I would do my normal putt 25 times, I would practice straddle putt 25 times at each distance and then I would create a down hill scenario, and a putting from the knee scenario from all 3 distances,
finishing out with 10 jump putts.
Inside 20' I was around 98%, 30' I was around 85% still room for improvement.

[uNicedmeMan]

I have used Superclass discs to putt with before, the Snap Whitler and liked it. But man was it tough to make longer putts.

Not a superclass disc, just sayin' (damn shame too).

[Pwingles]

I am also not a fan of par 2's or larger diameter putters. If i had to choose, par 2's would be my solution since they dont actually change anything, most birdies doesnt win, most bogeys doesnt lose, fewest strokes wins regardless of what you call them.