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Postby Amateur » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:26 pm

Oh and if it's used I wouldn't pay more than $10 for a first run Buzzz.
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Postby Blake_T » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:06 pm

the mystique of midranges is that they are more static.

driver tech advances very quickly, but at a rate faster than courses get longer.

honestly, most courses don't have more than 3-6 holes where you can even justify throwing a disc like a wraith, but there's usually 6+ holes where you could throw a roc or a buzzz.
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Postby Amateur » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:21 pm

I've had a few and I can NEVER justify throwing a wraith.

Not to thread drift. My Avenger is the most predictable driver I've ever thrown.

Blue tees on my home course are:444ft, 299ft, 343ft, 369ft, 309ft, 289ft, 389ft, 399ft, 330ft (over a lake!), 424ft, I forget after there but McNaughton in Pekin is a MEAN course, most holes are 400+. Side note my buddy and I would like to plan a DG trip and I have heard of may great courses in Minnesota. What do you reccommend for the drive?
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Postby Thatdirtykid » Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:05 pm

I also am a avenger guy, my opinion: I only throw mine for long hyzers and when the basket is within my max d but outside of easy teebird d. If I am not going to be able to make it there with my avenger I will throw a more contolled drive with a teebird. If its wide open max d w/ no risk of OB I may throw my avenger to have that extra d for a shorter approach.
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Postby TexasOutlaw » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:26 am

I carry both avengers and wraith, way too many, I know. I have an x avenger, esp avenger and pro d wraith and star wraith.

My pro wraith works best for come back shots where I turn it over and let it fade back and s; the dx wraith, I'm not sure why I carry it yet other than I thought it would be a cheaper alternative to a pro.

My avengers are more predictable. I keep wanting to take one out of the bag, but I've made big shots with both. The esp avenger seems to fit in between my x avenger and pro wraith in stability.

I still haven't made up my mind on my esp surge.
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Postby Bradley Walker » Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:58 am

If a Wraith mated with a Predator, it would be a TeeRex.

I would take a Predator over a Wraith every time, but for straight shots I would take a TeeRex over a Predator.

Predator is better for knife heysers than anything I have tried, though. I would like to get one in ESP.
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Postby TexasOutlaw » Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:30 pm

Bradley Walker wrote:If a Wraith mated with a Predator, it would be a TeeRex.

I would take a Predator over a Wraith every time, but for straight shots I would take a TeeRex over a Predator.

Predator is better for knife heysers than anything I have tried, though. I would like to get one in ESP.


I imagine you have more power than me, Bradley. Actually, I think my z pred is well beat; I can't even remember how long I've had it, at least 4 years. Seems I've always carried a predator. I bought it and a firebird together a while ago to compare them. Traded the FB.
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