Actual NEWS from PDGA Forums...

[Jwt4412]

Vodoo never was approved...

Whoops...

TD's have a decision to make...

[adidadg]

was it actually rejected? never submitted? still in the approval process?

[Jwt4412]

apparently never submitted...

[Frank Delicious]

whoops!

So how was this not bigger news earlier?

edit: wow! just read the thread and Dave Mac didn't even answer the question or respond to it. someone else had to.

[black udder]

WOW

[nice drive kid]

Never submitted, eh?

Somebody's getting fired.

[discspeed]

Yeah, it sucks. I've been using the Voodoo since October. It has PDGA Approved molded into the back. I'm pretty sure this is because it shares the same top as the other Gateway putters, but still...The crappy or good thing (depending on your perspective) is that this will never be unilaterally enforced b/c most TDs do not take it upon themselves to be in the know when it comes to these matters. I just made a plea to Dave M. to get in gear and submit the darn disc.

[black udder]

Yeah, I agree that it would have been tough, but if any of the TDs visit the PDGA forum, I would imagine they would check first now. I mean, it's not a legal disc, right? Real shame. I don't use it much, but I do like it for what it does. Hard to imagine that such an oversight could be made. I mean, that's #2 after making it, right? Making sure it's allowed to be used in competition?

[Parks]

I don't see the new Warrior on the approved list either.

Is it grandfathered in under the old name, even though it is a completely different disc?

[Frank Delicious]

Of course does it really matter. It seems like the consensus is that most TD can't or won't enforce a ban on using them until they are approved.

[Jaysus]

sweet - I am throwing an "illegal" disc. Now I feel like a rebel!

[Bugbee]

I don't see the new Warrior on the approved list either.

Is it grandfathered in under the old name, even though it is a completely different disc?

I think you only need to re-submit if you change the name. Makes sense, right?

[tim]

I love the topic of this thread. I had to click out of curiosity. It was hard to believe "actual NEWS" existed on the PDGA forums. Well said.

Feel sorry for Gateway -- could blow up into a huge PR mess. I'm just hoping there were no prominent instances of Voodoos being used. From what I've seen in the past, I don't think Nikko throws Voodoos, so it shouldn't affect his recent big win.

If "PDGA Approved" is stamped on the bottom of the disc, I don't think it is the players responsibility to know that a disc hasn't jumped through all the approval hoops.

If someone has been using them, I would tell them not to feel guilty. The disc is well within bounds for all the requirements of a legal disc -- zero chance it will fail approval.

And honestly, many things are not enforced. A lot of the baskets I've played on in PDGA events are not technically legal by PDGA standards, since they have been modified in some minor way or another but haven't been submitted -- in their modified form -- for reapproval. That's a technicality, but so is putting with a Voodoo. It's well within the spirit of the rules and the letter of the rules -- it just hasn't gotten the rubber stamp.

If I recall, Innova went for a while with one of their discs not getting reapproved when they changed it's name? Was it the SL? Did anyone throw one of those "illegally"? It's not just Gateway that makes oversights.

[black udder]

It's not just Gateway that makes oversights.

While that may be true, don't you think that Gateway has the most to lose by such oversights? They're trying to break into the big 2 disc manufacturers and be taken seriously and then something like this happens. It's one thing if it's out there and everybody knows it's not approved yet, but it is stamped on the disc so it's truly misleading.

I don't think it's kill the company type stuff, but it's black eye type PR material if it spreads (which it might not).

[SkaBob]

We can pretend this is news and all...but uh...

When have you EVER had your bag checked for legality at a tournament?