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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby victorb » Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:14 pm

jubuttib wrote:Well god fucking damnit if they've started to meddle with the PD. They did this once with the C-PD and Jussi wasn't happy at all, hopefully they'll tackle this madness quickly too.


I wonder how much control innova actually has over discmania discs? I thought they just molded for them. Didn't realize that they created the molds too, but now that I think about it that's sort of naiive of me isn't it?
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby jubuttib » Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:32 pm

victorb wrote:
jubuttib wrote:Well god fucking damnit if they've started to meddle with the PD. They did this once with the C-PD and Jussi wasn't happy at all, hopefully they'll tackle this madness quickly too.


I wonder how much control innova actually has over discmania discs? I thought they just molded for them. Didn't realize that they created the molds too, but now that I think about it that's sort of naiive of me isn't it?
Well basically Jussi tells Dave what he wants (or Dave might come up with something he thinks Jussi would like), they then try the mold out, tweak it if necessary (PD took four molds to get where they wanted it to be) and when Jussi says it's OK they take it into production. However Innova still is responsible for doing them, and since they don't care and/or have idiots working the molding machines on occasion, shit gets fucked.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby MR. WICK » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:27 am

Been out of the pd game for a while.....and I'm not going back and reading 100 something pages.

Can someone give me a rundown on these?: https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/in ... ductId=782
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby JR » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:14 am

Probably pretty beefy with a harsh fade. Longer straight portion of the flight than a Firebird and less abrupt and hard fade but not by much. MiniPred/FB.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby jubuttib » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:24 am

If those really are the original CFR C-PDs then they're overstable to the point of being just under Firebirds. They do retain quite a bit of their PD behavior (penetrating fade preceded by a straight flight), but they really are overstable enough to handle just about anything. Also great for thumbers.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby MR. WICK » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:37 am

Thanks! Thats prob not what I'm lookin for then. I just need a good stable non-plus rimmed pd (or 2) and I don't really have the luxary or picking through a stack of them. I liked the s one I had a couple yrs back, these just sounded nice with the flater tops....not a fan of domey discs.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby jamon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:02 pm

MR. WICK wrote:Been out of the pd game for a while.....and I'm not going back and reading 100 something pages.

Can someone give me a rundown on these?: https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/in ... ductId=782


I just picked up a couple of those. This will be my first go with PDs, I'll report back.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby Booter » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:24 pm

if those arw going to be your first pds to try then you didnt really pick the best ones to start with.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby jubuttib » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:14 pm

Booter wrote:if those arw going to be your first pds to try then you didnt really pick the best ones to start with.
Depends on what you're looking for, but yeah, they're not the archetypal PDs most love. They're absolutely amazing companions to them though. =)
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby JR » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:10 pm

MR. WICK wrote:Thanks! Thats prob not what I'm lookin for then. I just need a good stable non-plus rimmed pd (or 2) and I don't really have the luxary or picking through a stack of them. I liked the s one I had a couple yrs back, these just sounded nice with the flater tops....not a fan of domey discs.


DGR P PDs stamped flatter than normal Ps. The DGR Ss and regular Ss are taller than DGR Ps. P PDs are the straightest ones especially after breaking in.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby jamon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:42 pm

Booter wrote:if those arw going to be your first pds to try then you didnt really pick the best ones to start with.


Im hoping they fall right between my stable champ EX's and stable destroyers, maybe even take some destroyer duties. Any specific s-line run I should look for thats dead straight.

If can get lighter champ teebirds to 400ish on a stand up hyzer how much will pds overlap?
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby Crosseyed0811 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:40 am

jubuttib wrote:
Booter wrote:if those arw going to be your first pds to try then you didnt really pick the best ones to start with.
Depends on what you're looking for, but yeah, they're not the archetypal PDs most love. They're absolutely amazing companions to them though. =)


Can we get a quick summary of what the "Archetypal PDs most love" are and how to find them? :)
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby Fightingthetide » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:34 am

They are rare at this point. When they were first run, people loved the champystar blends (usually yellow or red) because they would start out stable and beat into really straight. Most S PD's will stay stable for a really long time (for under 400' throwers) and eventually will start to turn just a little, but still keep a strong fade. That's not the PD that people on here love the most, but it's still a great disc.

I remember finding a first run red S PD in the used bin at PIAS a few years ago, not knowing what it was. Unfortunately, the first owner wanted it to fly understable out of the box, so he put it on the ground and used his foot to grind it down on the bottom. It would flip on 250' of power. In hindsight, it's a sad story, but at the time I had no idea.

I've moved down in speed/power from PD's because the "good" PD's are hard to find, and the other ones needed more power and were not as versatile for me as I would have hoped. Also, because the recent runs of P PD's were stiff and would chip when they hit a hard surface instead of getting scuffed or dinged.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby JR » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:29 am

Currently P PDs should be the easiest to rotate to get to decently straight but i'm afraid the best ones for straightness are a thing of the past. Current ones are good too but with breaking in them to less fading will also make them flip a little and the plastic is softer and less durable to the point of needing to be thrown only when there aren't a lot of rocks around if you wanna avoid a really fast beating and damage to the looks of the disc. The upside to that is a faster breaking in and tackier feel for better grip. So you could get a straightish a little flipping disc soon especially in something like 166-168.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: The Gospel of the PD

Postby Booter » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:50 am

Fightingthetide wrote:They are rare at this point. When they were first run, people loved the champystar blends (usually yellow or red) because they would start out stable and beat into really straight. Most S PD's will stay stable for a really long time (for under 400' throwers) and eventually will start to turn just a little, but still keep a strong fade. That's not the PD that people on here love the most, but it's still a great disc.

I remember finding a first run red S PD in the used bin at PIAS a few years ago, not knowing what it was. Unfortunately, the first owner wanted it to fly understable out of the box, so he put it on the ground and used his foot to grind it down on the bottom. It would flip on 250' of power. In hindsight, it's a sad story, but at the time I had no idea.

I've moved down in speed/power from PD's because the "good" PD's are hard to find, and the other ones needed more power and were not as versatile for me as I would have hoped. Also, because the recent runs of P PD's were stiff and would chip when they hit a hard surface instead of getting scuffed or dinged.



ummm good pds are NOT hard to find. just about any spd is a good one.
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