Does Anyone Not have a Firebird in their bag,

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IMHO, get something overstable & w/o a big wing & no ultra-high speed driver. I can throw a Blaze nearly as long as a Firebird overhand, but when doing the faster/bigger wing drivers there isn't any more distance and reliability goes down the crapper. Generally, there will be some fade (left on Tomahawk & right for thumbers for right-handed throwers). While overstable discs may deviate less, there are some exceptions (my new Firechicken has more left to right than my beat one). Best ones to try would be Blaze, Whippet, Banshee, Flick, Firechicken, XXX, Predator, etc. Essentially think headwind driver. A firebird would also be easier to replace than your pearly Monster. Learn to throw overhand skip shots, they're fun & usefull.

I have not thrown understable discs overhand (cue Jesse on roadrunners).

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i guess i lack the power to utilize such discs properly......a teebird does this for me (straight to reliable fade) just farther.......but maybe without the wind resistance......and as far as over hand shots.....i use just about anything for those

this is why i'm asking if i'm doing something wrong.....or if i just don't throw far/hard enough

They are best for long throwers. They get better for 400'+ crowd than 350' throwers and less than that they're just utility discs. Pig usage: Throwing low right of a tree ending left of it by the basket for approaches with ceilings. Skips hard headwinds straight or with a straight throw left finish. Avoiding killer hazards on the right. Spikes in winds without flipping or taken completely for a ride by the wind. Limiting blow bys spiking. FH. Compensating user error of OAT or too much arm speed or both. To name a few off the top of my head.

Read: Even a 250' thrower can find use for them but they grow with the thrower to become even better.

jr captured this very well. i'm a 330' thrower and carry a champ fb. i use it for overhand shots, forehad rollers, throws into vicious headwinds, spike hyzers, etc.

[Jesse B 707]

I have not thrown understable discs overhand (cue Jesse on roadrunners).

my tommy is just mutant i guess, for some reason the Roadrunner would have about the same turn that my buddies get out of a firebird im sure it would suck for thumbers though

[Jesse B 707]

I find this happens when I get lazy on overhand & don't get enough spin. Perhaps the problem? pd

i always thought i was getting too much spin on it, i would think a lack of spin would cause it to turn over faster as opposed to slower