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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby Sean40474 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:12 pm

Which water trick?
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby BLURR » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:39 am

Anybody have a line on some of the more stable to slightly overstable Cyclones? I need one around 172-173.
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby JR » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:16 am

Sean40474 wrote:Which water trick?


I think they mean hot to boiling water on a disc lying on a flat surface to flatten the dome.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby JHern » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:04 pm

JR wrote:
Sean40474 wrote:Which water trick?


I think they mean hot to boiling water on a disc lying on a flat surface to flatten the dome.


I could try it, but I'm still considering keeping the domey long-Comet-like Cyclone as it is, while pairing it with the flatter long-Gazelle-like Cyclone (I recently procured one of these via my secret Santa).

BTW: I've noticed that the domey Stalkers are also more Comet-like than their FR predecessors (which wouere more stable)...I wonder whether we might find other examples of this...perhaps this only occurs with Discraft plastic?
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby EpicLeopard1337 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:55 pm

less domey = more stable?
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby Dump truck » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:12 pm

EpicLeopard1337 wrote:less domey = more stable?

usually you go more by plh to determine stability.



For the most part on domey vs. flat (if the plh is the same)

narrow rimmed drivers more dome = less stability
wide rimmed drivers more dome = more stability
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby JHern » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:08 pm

eli wrote:
EpicLeopard1337 wrote:less domey = more stable?

usually you go more by plh to determine stability.



For the most part on domey vs. flat (if the plh is the same)

narrow rimmed drivers more dome = less stability
wide rimmed drivers more dome = more stability


You can go back in the thread for more details, but the gist is that the ESP Cyclone defies the usual behavior:

Thrown flat, the...
...domey ESP Cyclone is like a long Comet: extremely sensitive to OAT, easy to flip over, sensitive to wind, and little/no fade. Handles a clean spin-dominant throw really well, and tends to run off on a straight line (so be sure to throw it at the target!).
...flat ESP Cyclone is like a long Gazelle: holds a stable line on a hyzer flip, bleeds off OAT quickly, very good in the wind, and has a strong fade. You can crank on this thing, put it out on high flex lines, and you can count on a predictable fade.

Go figure. There is absolutely no difference in PLH between the ESP Cyclones I have compared, the bottoms are identical. The only difference is in the dome. I now have thrown 6 different (recent) ESP Cyclones to build up this comparison.

Anyways, I've notice that a couple Crystal Z Stalkers my wife and I got as swag, which are domey in comparison to my first run Z Stalker, are also a bit strange in some similar ways as the ESP Cyclone.

All of this really makes me want to get into a wind tunnel and look at the flow over these molds at various speeds. Sometimes simple rules work, and sometimes they don't. I would like to know why...
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby JR » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:01 am

Maybe the distribution of the air flowing over and under the disc changes enough with the dome variations to make the flight changes you described.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby Dump truck » Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:14 pm

You probably want to see if someone has both of the domey runs (more and less stable) to compare plh.

There are freak runs that defy both of those general rules but yours sounds like it follows the trend on dome.

It's a narrow rimmed driver with the same plh so domey = less stable. I'm assuming that the domey runs that were more stable had a higher plh but I could be wrong.
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby Booter » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:02 pm

so I love my esp cyclones. Straight as an arrow but can't handle winds for sh1t. The z's are of no interest because they fly like bricks,no glide. I have been looking for something more stable to compliment it.

I've been considering

glow gazelles
champ eagle x's

anybody have any success throwing glow gazelles into moderate winds? Hows the longevity of the stability of the glow gaz?

any other suggestions for a slow overstable/stable compliment?
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby NoLifeLeft » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:12 pm

For that I usually just power down my S-PD.
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby Booter » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:23 pm

yea I do that sometimes but sometimes I'd rather throw the clone
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby NoLifeLeft » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:04 pm

No, I meant for the more stable than the Clone shots. I love Cyclones.
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby Booter » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:59 pm

yea i knew what you meant,i should of clarified that i want a slow fairway driver like the cyclone thats more stable. i might just learn to power dwn more often on the pds.now that i think about it i could use my beat to shit cpd,it definitely gets turn out of it now but if i lose it ,im screwed because it took forever to beat .
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Re: ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers

Postby BrotherDave » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:49 pm

This might be a really dumb idea but what about a really beat Whippet or Banshee?
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