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Postby Bradley Walker » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:57 am

For me there are annies and then there are turnovers. Annies are released anheyser and turnovers are released with heyser and turn themselves over.

I have actually had more luck with true turnover discs. I have had less luck finding a disc that will hold a long anheyser out from the tee for big D. I have discs that can be thrown for bombs anheyser becasue they come back. I suggest the TeeRex or X Predator for this shot.

All the big D throws turnovers (for me) are started from a heyser and thrown high. I have Star Sidewinders but they usually turn very little unless the wind is forcing the nose to the ground. My heavy Sidewinder was really more like throwing a DX Teebird. It would flip , scream straight and fade a bit a the end. My lighter 170 gram will turnover on a low line, but would often NOT turn on a high line.

But for the HIGH turnover bomb, nothing has beaten my X Express. This disc can be turned from a heyser to anheyser at a high peak. It is also the GUARANTEED turnover, it is much less likely to stall and end left than anything I have ever tried. Once I get the high launch turnover right, I plan to BOMB this sucker way past anything (this is more technique than disc, I think). On normal throws my Express is much more predictable than the Sidewinder for turnovers, and is only a few feet short of the distance. This disc gets no respect, for some reason.

I was watching a kid from Oklahoma at the tornament this weekend. He was throwing the type of throw I am describing. A high turnover that did not turn over until it peaked at maybe 80' in the air. He threw a disc further tha anyone I have ever seen. Maybe 550'-600'. He was throwing a beat Scream.
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Postby zealot » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:59 am

gz bigs how beat up is the star wriath?
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Postby bigs348 » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:16 pm

lock-off wrote:gz bigs how beat up is the star wriath?


It's not too beat up, it's all about the angle and the power you put on it. I release with about 40 degrees of anhyzer and a lot of height -- it will keep turning left, hold that line for most of the flight, and then flatten and sit right about as it's getting to the ground. If I give it too much height, it will occasionally fade back too much, or if I give it too much power, it won't flatten at all, and I'll end up with a roller. It's one of the tougher shots to throw, but if you know you're plastic, you can do it with pretty much any disc.
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Postby bigs348 » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:19 pm

Bradley Walker wrote:I was watching a kid from Oklahoma at the tornament this weekend. He was throwing the type of throw I am describing. A high turnover that did not turn over until it peaked at maybe 80' in the air. He threw a disc further tha anyone I have ever seen. Maybe 550'-600'. He was throwing a beat Scream.


Devan Owens, maybe?
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Postby Rob » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:48 pm

For shorter annys a real beat up roc
For longer ones beat dx leopards and a beat up pro teebird.
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Postby Jerry R » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:53 pm

I've had great results with a broken in X XS. Flies straight for about 2/3 of it's flight, and then fades right when thrown flat (on a 300ft. throw). It broke in pretty quickly, but has not gotten flippy. I'd be lost without it now.
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Postby zealot » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:14 pm

yeah i tried beatin the shit out of my champ sidewinder and it seems to have worked. had a few nice long gentle annies with it today. didnt fade back either it just flattened out. :lol:
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Postby twmccoy » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:28 pm

My best anhyzer or hyzer flip discs are pro starfires and champ sidewinders. Both have a ton of glide and will hold the line you start them on.
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Postby zealot » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:02 am

yeah it does hold a line real well. might just stick with it for a while. its the only champ disc in my bag , i wish i woulda had a * sidewinder from the start.... even th ough i wonder if you can even beat those in enough???
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Postby Thatdirtykid » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:05 am

they will beat in and get a bit squirrly
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Postby zealot » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:10 am

squirrely for straighter shots or for annie?
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Postby Thatdirtykid » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:25 am

squirry may have not been the best word, but impredictable would be more accurate. they dont fade predictable and when they break in they loose their high speed stability (which isnt much) so they will flip too far often and they will fade out way too sone pretty often too because they keep their low speed stability.
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Postby disc_golfing_fool » Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:59 am

Jerry R wrote:I've had great results with a broken in X XS. Flies straight for about 2/3 of it's flight, and then fades right when thrown flat (on a 300ft. throw). It broke in pretty quickly, but has not gotten flippy. I'd be lost without it now.


Before switching to teebirds and avengers the X XS was my go to turnover disc. Great for hyzer flips that finish gliding anhyzer! Love that disc.

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Postby Thatdirtykid » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:53 pm

x xs is a good disc, is very comparable to a DX valk. I threw one for a while with great results.
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Postby zealot » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:54 pm

heres a thought.... its just a thought

maybe annies are the hardest thing to throw with consistent level/angle/release so we think discs are squirrely even tho its the toss and the wind...
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