Max Vs. Monster

[K-Dog 19]

Hurray! The Innova Max is finaly out. I heard that the Max was saposed to be more oversable than the Monster and faster. Well, the Max (S-11 G-4 T-0 F-5) I quess is faster than the Monster (S-10 G-3 T-0 F-5), but has the same amount of fade. Now my quesstion is, Will the Max, with a Glide of 4 and 11 Speed, work as well as a Firebird or Monster, with a Glide of 3 (Firebird Speed-9)(Monster Speed-10), in the wind? I hope so because, my Predator is nice in all, but all headwind drivers could do with a little more D.

[Solty]

played in 25 mph winds today....

max will flip in a headwind....the predator did not....

[Bradley Walker]

played in 25 mph winds today....

max will flip in a headwind....the predator did not....

Yaaaa..... to flip a newish Z Pred from a heyser, you would need to throw about 189 MPH...

[K-Dog 19]

Alright, thanks. I quess I won't get a Max to replace my Pedator next summer. But, what about the Monster? Is it better than the Predator?

[Solty]

if you want a truly great headwind driver....go with a predator, speed demon or spirit. They are three of the best headwind drivers.......

[K-Dog 19]

But... Innova said that the Monster had the ability to be driven into a hurricane? Or are they bluffing?

[twmccoy]

:? But... Innova said that the Monster had the ability to be driven into a hurricane? Or are they bluffing?

No, the monster won't flip period, but it gets no glide like the predator and loses distance.

[MDR_3000]

The Star Monster can be hyzer flipped, I actually find it to to glide pretty well.

but to the question at hand the Max and the Star Monster are pretty close to being the same disc, the max edging out the monster in distance.

I wouldn't throw either of these into a headwind.

[K-Dog 19]

Ok. So I don't think I am going to Innova for my next headwind drriver. Not that I don't like the Firebird or anything. It's just that I think it could do with for D.

I have another quesstion. How does the Flick compair to the Predator?

[mothrows]

The flick is definitely faster.

[Craig]

A flick will flip in a headwind. It is speed stable, not true stable. I got caught relying on its stability in my last tournament. I'm not a big arm, and it is about my most overstable disc. I threw a steep hyzer into a small breeze, and it flipped - out into the road on my right - got run over by a PT Cruiser.

Without that little breeze it would have taken a big turn to the left - with a healthy skip to boot.

[twmccoy]

The Star Monster can be hyzer flipped, I actually find it to to glide pretty well.

but to the question at hand the Max and the Star Monster are pretty close to being the same disc, the max edging out the monster in distance.

I wouldn't throw either of these into a headwind.

Yeah, I haven't thrown that new monster mold yet, but I did find one recently. Domier and with a different rim.

[black udder]

My experiences with the predator and flick lead me to say that the flick tends to be more stable right from release, all 2.5. When it loses it's speed, it just dives to the ground (usually with a good skip). The predator will hold what you release until it loses speed. Then it falls off at a 2.5 stability. Obviously, they'll both go flat and pretty far, but I've found it easier to throw my predator straight and flat further than I can the flick.

I have throw the flick into a stiff wind and it didn't turn over - but again - my experience has been that it's hard for me to turn it over.

I have a friend who uses a 150 flick as an S disc and just releases it with a ton of anhyzer. It always comes back and works well for him.

[K-Dog 19]

So, do you think I should get a flick for strong winds?

[twmccoy]

So, do you think I should get a flick for strong winds?

My flick flips into strong winds. For light winds it is great though. For heavier stuff I use the pulse, teerex and pred.