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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby what'shisname » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:40 am

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discspeed wrote:I just weighed my new GL Flow...I forgot to weight it at the store. The sticker said 175, but after throwing some tailwind bombs that seemed to glide forever yesterday I suspected it may be a little light. Surprisingly it was 175.6g. That's not a weight I would have picked out to be a good tailwind disc for me, but I'll take it. Even better, at that weight it's going to fly similarly across wind conditions.



I haven't had a chance to get into a field to really play with my flows yet (still snow on the ground) but the couple times I've tried a downwind shot with my GL it didn't perform very well. I have much better results throwing slower discs like a Vision or a River downwind. Am I wrong to assume that the speed of the disc plays a bigger role with headwind/tailwind situations than weight?


I had a chance to try a downwind shot with my GL flow the other day and experienced much better results this time. It netted me one of my longest drives ever in fact.

Really liking the GL for big annys as well lately. The fields are almost dry enough to get out on now and I can't wait to get some time out there with the Opto and GL to really see what i can do with them.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby discspeed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:17 am

emiller3 wrote:Either I'm not being clear, you guys are blinded by your Flow love, or (most likely) both :wink: . I'm not trying to pick a fight with Flow throwers, just trying to explain why I can't find a place for the Flow in my bag.

Let me try again. I can throw the Flow very far on open fields and on low lines. Good. But when I've got OB left (LHBH), I get nervous that it will flip and won't come back. I also can't reliably throw it in a headwind, or overhand, or forehand, which are all important to me. With the Force, I can still throw very far on open fields, plus I have the confidence that I can anny it or OAT it and I know it's coming back, and it's great for forehands, overhands and headwinds.

So, when am I going to use the Flow for max D? Maybe on a hole with OB right, dogleg left, or just a tight fairway in general. My experience has been that I'm better off discing down to an Eagle and staying on the fairway in those cases. The Valk has always been a very workable and forgiving distance disc for me, so I'd considering throwing it as well.

I re-read my post...I don't see where you think I was comparing the flight of those discs. I thought it was clear that I was contrasting them, and from a very general shot-making perspective vice your typical disc-testing perspective. In fact, some of the differences you mention are exactly what I thought I was conveying. I must not have been clear.

And minimalism isn't an issue here, I'm replacing 2 Flows with 2 Valks and a Force...

The only reason I can think of right now that would make me put the Flows back in the bag is if I'm getting significantly better D with them than the Force or Valk. I know that I get more D with it than the Valk, but I'm on the fairway a lot more with the Valk, so is it worth it? That's what I aim to find out.


Sorry about the harsh tone in my post, it was not intentional. This one will be much more constructive. :D

I do, of course, think that the Flow is the best straight/workable distance driver on the market. Speed comes at the price of consistency in terms of flight lines with turning drivers, and the Flow is as fast a disc as I've thrown that was still as predictable as speed 9/10/11 discs. I don't throw them it strong headwinds, but I have no trouble throwing shots that turn and fade without worry (especially my Opto Flow).

Do you not have even more trouble throwing your Valk without it turning? If not, then your Flows are different from mine.

Also, in my experience with Flows and Forces, the Force must be thrown much harder to go the same distance as a Flow. If you are throwing a Force more or less the same way as a Flow and they are going similar distances then you've got a freak disc (either the Flow or Force). I stopped throwing Forces because I got tired of having to throw them so hard to get the lines I was looking for, and once I beat them it they were not predictable. It's a good stable distance disc, but it's only good at flat to hyzer shots imo. I definitely think the Flow should be paired with something more stable though...I like the PD2.

I know you are at altitude as well, so that probably changes things, maybe making it more difficult to get less turn and fade than I experience here at sea level in high humidity. I also don't know what kinds of lines you are throwing at your home courses.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby discspeed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:34 am

Jeronimo wrote:I've been throwing my Halo's and Flow's quite a bit more lately and I think I might change them up a little on my flight guide. I still think the "good" opto Flow's are some of the straightest long distance drivers I've ever thrown but I've been noticing a little bit of high speed turn and a fairly hefty fade at the very end lately. Nose angle has been a bitch for me with the Flow, you mess that up and give it any sort of nose up and you can say hello airball. I also can't believe the variation I've been seeing in the Gold Lines, I've got one that's as stable or more over stable than my prized Opto and I've got a pretty blue Gold Line that's flippier than a DX sidewinder.

Since the snow let up i've been throwing my Halo and Flow side by side every time I use one or the other and i'm quite pleased with both of their performances. For level ground and inclined shots I think i'm digging my 160-169g range Halo's more for D, but if there's any kind of decline in elevation to the shot It's definitely Flow time. I wouldn't say there's any sort of significant advantage that one has over the other in distance but the Halo is definitely taking up more side to side room on a drive. I finished the season last year thinking the Flow was the clear distance winner for me over my Halo's, now... I'm not so sure...



I found the Halo to be much more nose angle sensitive than the Flow as it is faster, has less glide, and gets more turn and fade. So it seems strange to me that you have nose angle problems with your Flow.

My Optos (pink, max weight, domey) have a little turn and a good fade. They have much more LSS than any GL I've thrown both in consistency and magnitude. I love these characteristics as I use this disc more or less as my line shaping D driver. The GLs are straighter with more gradual movement for me, regardless of stability. I've noticed a little variability in the GL as well...My new GLs (purplish color) are +.5 more stable all around than my silver GLs were. The new ones are stiffer and domier though, so it's no surprise.

Performance wise I'm happier with the Flow than I've been with any distance driver since I used to throw Orcs. I've been using Flows for a fairly long time now (long enough for the "crush" phase to have faded) and I'm still enamored with what I can do with them and how consistently they perform for me. It can do low ceilings as well as faster discs and can air out better than faster discs. Between my GLs and Optos I can throw various hyzers, straight/S-turn, and anhyzers shots better than I've ever been able to do with any other distance mold. I keep trying every new thing that comes out, but nothing has tempted me much since the Flow has been in my bag.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby emiller3 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:57 am

I have a domey white GL Flow and a flatter blue GL Flow. The blue Flow is just like all the other blue ones documented here, it flips easily.

My home course is densely wooded and long. There are four par 4's and a par 5 that can require some creative distance lines. It's also windy a lot, there are some nice overhand routes, and you can typically get stuck with a lie that favors forehands a couple times a round. The Flow does not feel nearly as workable there as it did when I initially got it and played the other two local courses which are much more open.

You've given me a couple reasons to consider keeping the Flow in the bag. I'm at a point where the Valk suits my game, maybe that's all it is right now.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby discspeed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:15 pm

emiller3 wrote:I have a domey white GL Flow and a flatter blue GL Flow. The blue Flow is just like all the other blue ones documented here, it flips easily.


Ah, that's telling me something right there. I've tested a lot of Flows...Those blues are probably the least stable of all of them...And the whites...I picked up one of those and it's the most stable and glideless Flow I've thrown, yet it still flips in some wind. Neither of those discs possess the "magic" that you can get out of a Flow. Try an Opto or a purple, silver, or gold GL (basically one with some dome that's NOT white).

BTW, anyone notice that the plain white GL plastic is a little different regardless of the disc? These seem to be the most stable and glideless of all colors in several molds I've tried them in (River and Flow). And they are just so ugly compared to Latitude's other plastic...I've seen pearly white Halos that looked sweet, but I hate the just plain white GLs.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby JR » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:14 pm

I second low altitude observations of discspeed. Opto Flow is too LSS thrown flat for me but it gains a lot of D s-curved and annied. In fact it may be the best anny disc for D and control combined for me because it can be made easily to hold anny or flex out. Most discs are just one or the other or roller or a flat shot. Opto Flow ain't that nose angle sensitive i think it's the least sensitive fast disc for that there is.

emiller3: At altitude Valk with the less HSS and LSS and slower speed should work easier. So if it works for you don't hesitate to use it but for windier situations the Flow may still be good compliment. For me VAlks are very different to each other and DX ain't good for most mountain courses i presume. DX Valk is a straight disc at sea level and Champ harder fading shorter and Star moderately overstable.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby bill » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:25 pm

i'm slow to follow you guys' suggestions. i like to hold off for a bit and see how long the love lasts for a new mold.

i got a weighed 168 silver GL flow today and went straight out to the park. off the shelf it's my longest disc by 20-30' easy. straight and low without much effort and a nice fade at the end and really the best part of this disc for me was how low it can be thrown and carry through. threw it in a head wind and a tail wind and really it was almost the same line for both, a little longer in the wind maybe, which i'm sure will change soon.

for a 350-375 arm this has to be close to if not the best choice for a long ranger, higher speed driver. the rim doesn't seem as wide as a wraith and the glide is typical of a river. really easy to throw.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby discspeed » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:28 pm

bill wrote:i'm slow to follow you guys' suggestions. i like to hold off for a bit and see how long the love lasts for a new mold.

i got a weighed 168 silver GL flow today and went straight out to the park. off the shelf it's my longest disc by 20-30' easy. straight and low without much effort and a nice fade at the end and really the best part of this disc for me was how low it can be thrown and carry through. threw it in a head wind and a tail wind and really it was almost the same line for both, a little longer in the wind maybe, which i'm sure will change soon.

for a 350-375 arm this has to be close to if not the best choice for a long ranger, higher speed driver. the rim doesn't seem as wide as a wraith and the glide is typical of a river. really easy to throw.


That's definitely fair...New discs are easy to like at first, but it takes time and experience in different conditions to really show a discs strengths and weaknesses. I have a feeling I'm going to be sticking with the Flow for some time. It has REALLY taught me that I have no business throwing the wider rims on the course. I can't snap them because my grip is not as strong...I can compensate for this when I'm in the field or playing wide open holes by reaching back further and slinging the hell out of them, but I'm not going to throw like that in normal golf conditions. So unless companies decide to start making drivers a few mms short of the limit I will be using the Flow. I can hear audible snap every time I throw the Flow, assurance that I'm getting 100% of my energy into it. I have also fell in love with both the GL and the Opto Flow completely on their own merit.

Isn't it strange that it feels like a smaller rim than a Wraith, yet it's actually wider by the PDGA specs? I feel they are faster than Wraiths as well, and have a more consistent flightpath and LSS.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby marmoset » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:49 pm

discspeed wrote:the wider rims... I can't snap them because my grip is not as strong

Exactly my beef with the fastest stuff.
I have the power to throw Bosses but I HATE the rim width. Besides I get much more control over Wraiths and Destroyers.
I really want to try an Opto flow because it sounds interesting and I really want to support thinner rim widths.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby bill » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:22 am

man this is a great disc. it seems to just jump off your hand with minimal effort. put more snap than arm on it and it just goes. straight too and i'm getting really fantastic S lines with it.

it's probably my easiest disc to keep low.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby Booter » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:37 am

I put the flow back in the bag a week ago after selling all of the others and got my 2nd ace of the year with it on saturday. 387' tight flex shot,left to right wind,soared out there and gently blew up the chains center/right side. Love how easy it is to get distance off this thing.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby Coldpunk » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:17 am

I second the amazement about the easy distance with these. I've been throwing 171 yellow gl flows and just crushing them. I'm throwing 325' controllable distance rhbh with star destroyers/z preds/and strikers, the flow is consistently 50'+ longer than the destroyers.

My only problem has been figuring out when they're going to turn over, how much, and how far/how high does it need to be to be able to come back. I'm getting that down now. I'd heard "driver x will add x amount of feet to your distance" from so many other discs and this is the first driver I've ever thrown that really did add substantial distance.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby Floodj32 » Thu May 12, 2011 3:53 pm

Has anyone seen anywhere that carries lighter Flows? (under 168)
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby discspeed » Thu May 12, 2011 4:04 pm

Floodj32 wrote:Has anyone seen anywhere that carries lighter Flows? (under 168)


I'm pretty sure we've got them a little lighter. I will check at the store tomorrow.
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Re: Go with the FLOW

Postby discspeed » Thu May 12, 2011 4:40 pm

Speaking of the Flow and weights...I have different weight preferences for different molds. Mostly I prefer a gram or two shy of max weight, but some discs fly better for me a little heavier or lighter. I've tested a variety of Flows in a variety of weights, and all my favorite runs have been max weight...175.xx. The two runs I've hoarded a bit are FR pink Optos and purplish GLs. Flows are pretty wind resistant at these weights as well, so that's a bonus, and although they are heavy they glide like SOBs. All of my Flows are domey...Flat ones just don't fly right for me.

Jeronimo recently made me nervous with his assessment of the newer Flows, so I'm glad I already have a stash of ones that I love. I also just threw a new domey yellow GL (173) and I hated it. It wasn't flippy enough to just rip with hyzer and know it was going to work, yet it wasn't stable enough to lay on near flat either. Total squirrelville. It felt thinner in my hand, especially in the wing, than my preferred Flows. It was faster with less glide (yuck). I hope I start finding some good Flows in the newer run, but if not I've got enough old ones to wait for another good run.
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