Either I'm not being clear, you guys are blinded by your Flow love, or (most likely) both
. I'm not trying to pick a fight with Flow throwers, just trying to explain why I can't find a place for the Flow in my bag.
Let me try again. I can throw the Flow very far on open fields and on low lines. Good. But when I've got OB left (LHBH), I get nervous that it will flip and won't come back. I also can't reliably throw it in a headwind, or overhand, or forehand, which are all important to me. With the Force, I can still throw very far on open fields, plus I have the confidence that I can anny it or OAT it and I know it's coming back, and it's great for forehands, overhands and headwinds.
So, when am I going to use the Flow for max D? Maybe on a hole with OB right, dogleg left, or just a tight fairway in general. My experience has been that I'm better off discing down to an Eagle and staying on the fairway in those cases. The Valk has always been a very workable and forgiving distance disc for me, so I'd considering throwing it as well.
I re-read my post...I don't see where you think I was comparing the flight of those discs. I thought it was clear that I was contrasting them, and from a very general shot-making perspective vice your typical disc-testing perspective. In fact, some of the differences you mention are exactly what I thought I was conveying. I must not have been clear.
And minimalism isn't an issue here, I'm replacing 2 Flows with 2 Valks and a Force...
The only reason I can think of right now that would make me put the Flows back in the bag is if I'm getting significantly better D with them than the Force or Valk. I know that I get more D with it than the Valk, but I'm on the fairway a lot more with the Valk, so is it worth it? That's what I aim to find out.
Sorry about the harsh tone in my post, it was not intentional. This one will be much more constructive.
I do, of course, think that the Flow is the best straight/workable distance driver on the market. Speed comes at the price of consistency in terms of flight lines with turning drivers, and the Flow is as fast a disc as I've thrown that was still as predictable as speed 9/10/11 discs. I don't throw them it strong headwinds, but I have no trouble throwing shots that turn and fade without worry (especially my Opto Flow).
Do you not have even more trouble throwing your Valk without it turning? If not, then your Flows are different from mine.
Also, in my experience with Flows and Forces, the Force must be thrown much harder to go the same distance as a Flow. If you are throwing a Force more or less the same way as a Flow and they are going similar distances then you've got a freak disc (either the Flow or Force). I stopped throwing Forces because I got tired of having to throw them so hard to get the lines I was looking for, and once I beat them it they were not predictable. It's a good stable distance disc, but it's only good at flat to hyzer shots imo. I definitely think the Flow should be paired with something more stable though...I like the PD2.
I know you are at altitude as well, so that probably changes things, maybe making it more difficult to get less turn and fade than I experience here at sea level in high humidity. I also don't know what kinds of lines you are throwing at your home courses.