An Efficient Killer - The Pred Thread

[victorb]

So I got in a Z and ESP predators today and I just have one question... Why the hell do I stop throwing these every time I put them back in the bag?

the z pred is the only disc not to rotate out of my bag at all in about the last 4 years.

[dgdave]

Score! I've got 5 old Z Preds heading to my house.

[juju]

What do you like about the older Z preds? Some runs were really good, but some were just meh.

[dgdave]

Nostalgia mostly I guess. I know them so I throw them.

[NoLifeLeft]

I haven't found a Z Pred that has been run anytime recently that is as domey as some of the older run Z Preds. Those domey old ones are super workable and have some amazing glide for such a stable disc.

That said, I don't hate the current Z Preds.

[Frank Delicious]

Yeah when they changed the stamps there was a small window where every new pred was either super overstable or fairly straight out of the box. But that seemed to have been corrected and we are back to the nice overstability of what a pred should be.

[dgdave]

A buddy hooked me up with a Pred from 02 and its in pink plastic that the 1st run buzzes were ran in. I wish I didn't have to leave town as soon as I got it.

[kern9787]

I may be ignorant to reasoning why, but as big as a role the predator seems to play in the discraft lineup, why is it I've never seen any sort of sparkle z or otherwise special runs you get for buzzes, forces, nukes, etc?

[JR]

I'm not sure about how many Preds they actually sell. I'm afraid it's more of a cult discs for those in the know which is a very small minority in the disc golf world.

[CatPredator]

I'm not sure about how many Preds they actually sell. I'm afraid it's more of a cult discs for those in the know which is a very small minority in the disc golf world.

This is probably true. It's not a good beginner disc, which is where most of the sales are coming from. On top of that, it's a hard disc to lose, and they last forever. It's not a flashy disc either, so I'm not sure sparkle or midnight preds would really generate that many sales with hardcore pred throwers.

[jubuttib]

I think it's a very good beginner disc, one of the best overstable drivers for beginners. They just need to realize what it's for and not just try to use it for distance.

[Mike C]

Easier said than done. I went months wondering why my Firebird wouldn't go further than my Teebird since it was faster and obviously designed to get more distance because it's faster.

[CatPredator]

Easier said than done. I went months wondering why my Firebird wouldn't go further than my Teebird since it was faster and obviously designed to get more distance because it's faster.

Ha, like Mike said, the strategy for throwing overstable plastic typically doesn't become apparent for a while unless you're playing with other good, smart players from the get go. Obviously I love the Pred, but it's more like a year 2 or 3 level disc for most people.

[jubuttib]

That's not the Pred's fault, beginners just aren't good beginners. =)

I got a group of beginners on the right track by just quickly showing them how an overstable disc and a neural/understable one flew when powered down considerably (to their level). They all agreed that 100 or so feet was a good reason to learn how to throw discs that weren't overstable. =)

[victorb]

I think it's a very good beginner disc, one of the best overstable drivers for beginners. They just need to realize what it's for and not just try to use it for distance.

so why is the predator a good beginner disc? I actually don't think it is - champ banshees would be a lot better. If the pred is a beginner disc, wouldn't the firebird and xxx and whatever other overstable pig be a beginner disc too?

I know that's what we all recommend, but a champ banshee or even a good champ eagle would be better for a beginner's overstable slot.