force vs

[money 21]

how do the ape, nuke os, chaos, and Quaser compare to the force?

[keltik]

and let's add the Blitz in there just to be silly.

[BLURR]

I was going to pick one of those to compare it to, I would go with the Quasar. About the only difference between my quasar and my forces I used to throw is the speed of the quasar. Other than that, they seem to have the same flight characteristics for me.

[himynameismatt]

Generally speaking I'd expect the Force to fly less stable than any of the discs you listed.

IMO the Force is a slightly more stable Destroyer.

[discspeed]

how do the ape, nuke os, chaos, and Quaser compare to the force?

The Ape is slightly faster and has more turn and fade.
The NukeOS is faster and markedly more high and low speed overstable
The Chaos is quite similar, though it seems to glide a bit more and fly slightly faster. It's not quite as predictable.
The Quasar is very similar, only faster...Because it's faster it fades a touch more. I think the Quasar is the most predictable speed 13 disc on the market in terms of holding it's line and fading across speeds and conditions.

[NoLifeLeft]

I was a dedicated Force thrower, I tried all of those but the Ape. The Quasar is in the bag now. I agree with discspeed's summary.

[Smyith]

how do forces beat in? how do they (new and beat) compare to a proper domed destroyer?
kindda thinking if i cant find me a proper destroyer in star (preferably echo) in the near future i may switch to something more readily available such as the force. mine is getting pretty beat up (understatement).

[discspeed]

Forces don't glide like Destroyers...The ESPs beat in alright, but once they get a little high speed turn they are not that predictable.

FWIW I've come to the conclusion that distance drivers don't work for minimalism. Their flight characteristics are too ingrained by the mold to make them either good stable discs or good turning distance discs. The Destroyer is sort of an exception, but it's still a pita to try to find ones to cover the spectrum.

[Smyith]

Forces don't glide like Destroyers...The ESPs beat in alright, but once they get a little high speed turn they are not that predictable.

bummer

FWIW I've come to the conclusion that distance drivers don't work for minimalism. Their flight characteristics are too ingrained by the mold to make them either good stable discs or good turning distance discs.

on minimalism....as far as myself goes. good for development tho

The Destroyer is sort of an exception, but it's still a pita to try to find ones to cover the spectrum.

aint that the truth. and finding alike ones is becoming increasingly difficult. innova should adopt the millennium run numbers so its easier on us to get similar discs. but that could end up slapping them in the face.

[jubuttib]

Minimalism is definitely great for when you're starting out, and even gotten a bit further, but when you know what your discs can and can't do, you should try to fill in the gaps with other molds.

[Hyzerline49]

the force is better.... i carry 3 different forces, and they work awesome alongside hurricanes. all of my distance shots are carried out by these two. tried out the teedevil/destroyer combo for a while, but it couldnt compare.

[discspeed]

the force is better.... i carry 3 different forces, and they work awesome alongside hurricanes. all of my distance shots are carried out by these two. tried out the teedevil/destroyer combo for a while, but it couldnt compare.

Have you tried it against the Quasar?

I like the Force better all around than the other discs listed in the first post, but I think the Quasar is the exception. The wall I hit with Forces is that while the ESPs are fast and stable, they break in a little too quickly. The stable Zs are domey, and too stable to fly very far (almost like the NukeOS). They also get shortened even more by headwinds due to the big dome. There are some fundraiser Forces that can fill in the gap there, but seriously, the Quasar is still better. It's a little faster/longer than the good new ESP Forces, and is every bit as predictable about being turned and coming back. The Quantum/Champion plastic is better than Z in flight and better than ESP for durability.

[Hyzerline49]

the force is better.... i carry 3 different forces, and they work awesome alongside hurricanes. all of my distance shots are carried out by these two. tried out the teedevil/destroyer combo for a while, but it couldnt compare.

Have you tried it against the Quasar?

I like the Force better all around than the other discs listed in the first post, but I think the Quasar is the exception. The wall I hit with Forces is that while the ESPs are fast and stable, they break in a little too quickly. The stable Zs are domey, and too stable to fly very far (almost like the NukeOS). They also get shortened even more by headwinds due to the big dome. There are some fundraiser Forces that can fill in the gap there, but seriously, the Quasar is still better. It's a little faster/longer than the good new ESP Forces, and is every bit as predictable about being turned and coming back. The Quantum/Champion plastic is better than Z in flight and better than ESP for durability.

you seem to have a pretty limited experience with forces then... you just described very specific discs as if those were the only ones that you have thrown.

[Ryan C]

I'd say Forces are like any other disc ever. There are some pretty flat ones, there are some domey ones. There are some with turn, and there are some that are very overstable. They fly well. If you have a domey Z that is beat into being flippy, you have an incredibly long flying disc.

[Frank Delicious]

woah, blast from the past.