Fall Flight Chart Update

[7ontheline]

I've been following the hype on the Axis and your 3/-1/2/2 review will only be the second range 3 with HSS -1 and LSS 2 with a power requirement of 2 on Joe's Flight Chart. My question is if the Axis is thrown with a power requirement of 1 instead of the 2 power you've indicated would it still be in the range 3 mids or would this drop it down a half tick or more in range potential.

On another note and not to pile on as you've already said you don't care much, but I throw my deflashed almost seasoned Sword on a controlled flat stable low line and it goes further than my * DD Hysteria, two Pro Wraiths, Climo Wraith and Vulcan and its consistantly longer than my champ Orc and special blend Orc on the same lower line. Like your review, my Tournament Sword can get squirrly when I crank it too hard, and I don't throw it into a headwind, but the same WTF can be said of my Katanas and Vulcan on similar lines and conditions.

Discspeed/jubuttib, you throw PD2 further than Sword (not asking about into a headwind)?

Thank you Master Jedi, I often refer to your and Masterbeato's findings.

[discspeed]

Discspeed/jubuttib, you throw PD2 further than Sword (not asking about into a headwind)?

They are hard to compare because the PD2 is more HSS and LSS. My black domey Tourney Sword is my longest disc, but it's flippy. The best comparison I can make is between my newish 175 VIP Sword and the broken in 175 CPD2 I had (it went out to sea)...Between those 2 the Sword is longer for me by a noticeable margin.

[JR]

Swords are in Destroyer range, which is more by mere few feet than P PD2. And Swords aren't the longest discs for me. Nukes are with broken in DD2s and Westside Kings are very close and longer than broken in Pro Destroyers.

[Blake_T]

I also think Dan may have more trouble throwing a disc "only" 400'-450', where that is pretty much a full throw for me...

when someone w/ a 70+mph launch velocity throws it, you can see what it really wants to do at pretty much any range. i try to get the "truest" ratings I can and then scale them into "usable" ranges for most players. e.g. why the flick is rated +1 hss at pwr 5 instead of -1 hss at pwr 7.

I've been following the hype on the Axis and your 3/-1/2/2 review will only be the second range 3 with HSS -1 and LSS 2 with a power requirement of 2 on Joe's Flight Chart. My question is if the Axis is thrown with a power requirement of 1 instead of the 2 power you've indicated would it still be in the range 3 mids or would this drop it down a half tick or more in range potential.

when you under or over power a disc it has more of an effect on its HSS/LSS ratings than it's range. for the most part, RNG reflects the effective designed range of the disc on a relative scale. only on high speed distance drivers does this really become more of a judgement call. the axis would be more like 3/0/+2.5 when rated at PWR 1. with most mids they are compared off the roc as a benchmark at 0/+2.5. part of the reason why the axis garnered a 2 pwr rating on this batch is that all i had access to were ones near max weight. i have a feeling that going lighter would have also made them appear less stable even though they may have also pulled a lower power rating. overall i thought they pretty much threw like a domey buzzz.

there will likely be a rng 6 surfacing in the future, at which case a disc will be chosen as the lower cut line for the new range. the nuke will likely be that disc just as the wraith and surge were used as the cut from 5 to 5.5.

[jubuttib]

Discspeed/jubuttib, you throw PD2 further than Sword (not asking about into a headwind)?

No sir, I do not. PD2 is more reliable in the wind but definitely not longer.

[Blake_T]

went out and re-rated the Ion as well as new ratings for the sole and ibex.

The Ion was a 2/0/+2/1. Seems like it shortened up by about 10% since they went to the translucent plastic though.

Sole: 2 / 0 / +1.5 / 1

Ibex: 3 / -1 / +1.5 / 2

[discspeed]

went out and re-rated the Ion as well as new ratings for the sole and ibex.

The Ion was a 2/0/+2/1. Seems like it shortened up by about 10% since they went to the translucent plastic though.

FYI the Ions are the same plastic, just a different coloring effect. I've noticed no real distance difference between the plastics, let alone 10%...That is the difference between different speed classes of discs and I'm using the clear Ions on all the holes I used to use the opaques and throwing them the same distances.

[Wyno]

This ^^
I'm just back from a putter round w multiple ions, no difference in distance or flight between new and old, except for the beaten ones being a bit straighter.

[jubuttib]

The new clear ones have a bit more HSS and LSS, if anything this has given me more confidence to rip them and they're going longer.

[Blake_T]

FYI the Ions are the same plastic, just a different coloring effect. I've noticed no real distance difference between the plastics, let alone 10%...That is the difference between different speed classes of discs and I'm using the clear Ions on all the holes I used to use the opaques and throwing them the same distances.

Then these runs are "beefier" on the shoulder and thicker in the flight plates than the earlier soft and medium runs. If you know how some wizards get that way, you know what I'm talking about. Another comparison would be a KC Aviar vs. a Star Aviar Driver.

The new clear ones have a bit more HSS and LSS, if anything this has given me more confidence to rip them and they're going longer.

Both Dan and I throw putters ~350' (although he can go more like 400'). They just fell faster and had less push during the low speed portion of the flight (keep in mind these were new, but new compared to new is what we were comparing).

[Smyith]

TeeDevil
5.5 / -1.5 / +3 / 6

Sword
5 / -1.5 / +3 / 5

Bolt
5.5 / -2 / +3 / 5

Rampage
5.5 / -0.5 / +3.5 / 6

I must admit im surprised as well that the sword is rated less than the TeeDevil/Destroyer. i was getting similar distance with the two ive thrown as the destrulcans with less effort.

which were tested? first runs or standard run? every Bolt ive thrown has almost no return fade.

and what color Rampages were used? ive only thrown a dark blue one and that thing had absolutely no turn on it. heck even my buddy who can throw 500+' can really only get it to flip flat.

[jubuttib]

and what color Rampages were used? ive only thrown a dark blue one and that thing had absolutely no turn on it. heck even my buddy who can throw 500+' can really only get it to flip flat.

If he can get it to flip flat, he can get it to turn over from flat. A -0.5 turn at power requirement 6 is very little turn indeed.

[JR]

The new clear ones have a bit more HSS and LSS, if anything this has given me more confidence to rip them and they're going longer.

For me the difference between Clear Ions and non clears is day and night in HSS. I can't drive with the non clear ones, because the mediums flex in my grip and wobble in the throw and flip 20 degrees. At pulled power mostly to 287' +- a couple of feet on two dozen throws clear Ion did not flip one degree for me YMMv.

[NoLifeLeft]

I was referring to the PDGA Approved Discs and Targets specifications. Both the Sword and Destroyer have rim widths of 2.2cm and have pretty similar specs all around.

Any of you guys ever hold the Sword wing to wing with some Innova drivers? Mine is (despite the PDGA measurements) clearly in Innova speed 11 rim dimensions. If I hold it up to a Destroyer (tried multiple) my VIP Sword is a touch smaller. It mates up evenly with Wraiths and Archons. Useless info, just found it interesting.

[discspeed]

I was referring to the PDGA Approved Discs and Targets specifications. Both the Sword and Destroyer have rim widths of 2.2cm and have pretty similar specs all around.

Any of you guys ever hold the Sword wing to wing with some Innova drivers? Mine is (despite the PDGA measurements) clearly in Innova speed 11 rim dimensions. If I hold it up to a Destroyer (tried multiple) my VIP Sword is a touch smaller. It mates up evenly with Wraiths and Archons. Useless info, just found it interesting.

I haven't done a side by side, but that does make some sense as I find the Sword more comfy and little less nose angle sensitive than Destroyers. I believe the Sword is still a bit faster than the Wraith ( I don't have enough Archon experience to comment) as it goes farther on a lower line. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that the Sword is much close to Wraiths/Archons/Destroyers than it is to the Orcs/Starfires that Blake placed them on the chart next to with the 5 range instead of 5.5. I'm just curious, is there anyone on here other than Blake that would put the Sword closer to the Orc than the Wraith/Destroyer?