Avenger props

[money 21]

I had Avengers in my bag for a few months. I really like them. The only problem is that I found a lot of overlap between new/slightly worn Avengers and slightly worn/beat Preds. And as much as I like Avengers, they'll never knock Preds out of my bag.

Is there overlap, yes and no. Yes, because you will find a beefy Avenger that can function as a Pred and a LPL Pred that will function more like a Avenger. No, because the Pred is a true overstable mold whereas the Avenger is a mod-overstable mold.

I carry both, but if a I eliminated one mold it would be the Pred. I could carry a beefier Aveng and power down on a Force to cover Pred like shots. Two more reasons why I might eliminate take the Pred out is that the Aveng comes in different plastics and it's better at shaping lines out of the box. It would take a little bit for a Pred to get to a point to work more lines. It doesn't take as long for a X Avenger.

if you haven't tried a tsunami you should they seem to me to fall right between the pred and avenger,

[keltik]

I thought the word was that the Tsunami was the original Pred mold.

[money 21]

it was the original pred but it is a little less stable.

[NoMoreTinCup]

A trifle surprised not to hear much love for ESP Avengers. My favorites. Odd how I prefer Z Forces and ESP Avengers. Whatever works, I suppose.
KP

[keltik]

I only have two ESPs and they are both Beefy. one is 174 and the other is 168.

[money 21]

the x avengers is what i an surprised more people don't throw I think it is every bit what the ppd is.

[sunspot]

the x avengers is what i an surprised more people don't throw I think it is every bit what the ppd is.

Yep. IMO, they are better than a PPD. You can hyzer-flip a seasoned Avenger and it will come back, a PPD is more likely to not recover.

[keltik]

I've had some X Avengers that wouldn't/didn't recover and they are somewhere in the woods.

[sunspot]

Where are these woods located at?

I should have said that a "seasoned Avenger will be more apt to come back." I can't trust a PPD like I can with the X Avengers.

[keltik]

yeah it actually hit a tree and cut across the fairway so technically it did come back lulz. I've only throw christmas stamp SPDs. and I will admit my favorite flippy Avenger does eventually come back (after about 450').

[jubuttib]

Where are these woods located at?

I should have said that a "seasoned Avenger will be more apt to come back." I can't trust a PPD like I can with the X Avengers.

I'll chime in and say that A) I liked the X Avenger turso had, seemed like a great disc, felt nice in the hand and flew great, and B) while I wouldn't trust a stiff P-PD to come back until very late in the flight, my gummy ones that started out more stable are much more reliable in that regard and probably match the X Avenger.

[keltik]

One of these days I'm gonna do the Pepsi challenge with the Avenger, PD and OLF.

[sunspot]

One of these days I'm gonna do the Pepsi challenge with the Avenger, PD and OLF.

I did. I chose "C", which was the Avenger. I might revisit the OLF. I probably won't revisit the PD.

Here's my criteria between the three:

1) The said mold has to come in multiple plastics

2) The said mold that comes closer to base plastic wins

3) The said mold has to wear at a fair rate

4) The said mold has to be versatile at line-shaping (new and/or beat)

5) The said mold has to have respectable distance (new and beat)

6) The said mold has to be readily available at different retailers

7) The said mold has to be easy on the pocket book

That's my general criteria between the three molds. I feel like the Avenger (especially X) covers all the basis of my requirements.

[keltik]

Interesting criteria. How long ago did you do this?

[sunspot]

Interesting criteria. How long ago did you do this?

As far as the formulation is concerned, it didn't happen at once. I first started out with the a 1.2 MOLF and my distance was around the 350 range. One thing that turned me off was how stable it was when new. I don't know if was the new top that made it more stable or what. I stopped throwing it.

I wanted something that was little less stable that could be worked more when new. I tried other things until the PD came out. I eventually got a PPD and was impressed. My initial impression with the PD wore off once I realize that the P version wasn't as reliable as it became seasoned. I stuck it out by using a DGR SPD. By this time my distance increased to able to 400 with the PD.

During this time I was questioning the PD. My doubt led me to buy a X Avenger and a DX TeeBird. The initial impression of the X Avenger wasn't good. I was impressed with the TB because I was getting the same distance with it as I was with the PD. The TB increased my doubts further about the PD. I knew I could get the TB in base plastic, I could throw it as far as the PD, and it was a smaller rim. I was going to make the change until I went out and practiced with my X Avenger. I mentioned earlier that my initial impression of the X Avenger wasn't good. The reason for why is that it reminded me of the PD.

As I began to throw it more I realized that it was what I wanted the PPD to be. It starts off more stable when new and breaks in to being more workable. The TB's fault, as commonly known, is that it's not as versatile on lines as it seasons. The Avenger gets similar distance while being more versatile than the TB and being more reliable in X plastic than the PPD. For me, it was the best of both worlds.

As far as the 1.2 OLF is concerned, even after my distance increased I still didn't like it as much as the Avenger. I found the Avenger more usable.