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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby JHern » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:34 pm

7ontheline wrote:I got a blue icon cannon and thought it flew in between my z nuke and ESP nuke, closer to ESP, in terms of stability, but was 10-15' shorter around the 400'' mark. I've read there is a fair amount of stability difference between plastic colors.


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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby turso » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:46 pm

Dunno, I got 400' out of them on shitty, snowy surface. They seem very destroyer-esque to me, probably very long disc when the summer gives some traction. The two bottom plastic rampages seemed completely pointless flip machines though, plus the second to bottom plastic one was acting very unpredictable.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby Chadi » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:08 pm

Anyone have a good read on Rampages yet? Or had some experience with the different plastics/colors? (especially Pinnacle vs Icon)

I picked up an Icon Rampage for forehand/headwind shots and it doesn't seem to have the over stability I remembered from test throwing the Pinnacle plastic.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby jubuttib » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:41 pm

Chadi wrote:Or had some experience with the different plastics/colors? (especially Pinnacle vs Icon)
I only have one example of both, but here goes. The Pinnacle is flatter, faster, more overstable, looks much better, grip is about the best I've seen in a premium plastic disc. The Icon isn't really hugely less stable, but noticeably, and seems to glide a tad better due to the dome. Not as grippy as the Pinnacle.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby JR » Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:05 pm

I had too limited traction for the power requirement of these big boy discs. Still they flew ok. I had an easy to flip 150 Bliz Champ Katana as an unfair comparison. The Katana flew farther with way less power requirement and naturally way more flip. Not having normal Bosses or Destroyers and the like of main stream long fast discs to compare i couldn't say if these differed significantly. I'm sure i couldn't power the Bosses and Destros from that lie either. I imagine that the Cannon in Icon wouldn't differ a lot from the Boss and the skips seemed to be quite similar. Icon Rampage has a fairly sharp feeling bottom. It is easy to turn but the turn ain't uncontrollable even on low lines and it will come back always with too much fade to get the distance that is available from the speed and the glide. Not flying flat in the end throws away the benefit of the good glide when flat.

I didn't have normal discs with me to compare the speed of these but these low 170s Legacy discs didn't fly nearly as fast as the over 20 grams lighter Katana. From memory of regular discs at similar weights i wouldn't rate the Cannon or the Rampage speed 14 on Innova scale. 13 and parity with the Boss and other 13s from Innova and a Nuke are more like it. I didn't carry a Z Nuke to test against but with the poor traction it is estimation business and the Rampage wasn't far away at all from the Z Nukes i have with the lie accounted for. So not bad at all except Nukes come in fairly similar flight at least down to 161.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby JR » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:54 am

Protege plastic does not take kindly to being driven into a soccer goal post at 180'. The edge bent down and had a reverse image of the rear post so the area was over about an inch wide. Icon gets easily damaged on asphalt -not recommended for that.

What a difference traction makes for these discs! Speed stability defined. Now they flip easily to the point of too easily for many roles if one wants safety margin. I didn't get more than one or two rear wind drives today but headwinds were crazy. I've never seen as hard a wind rape as the protege Rampage got before the post collision. The Cannon was only a little better with neither being candidates for straight or predictable flight. The glide and speed of the Rampage seemed impressive so they have potential in calmer weather with uninterrupted flight. I look forward to giving them a rip in calm weather now that there is traction in a sport field near me.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby Star Shark » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:41 pm

Just so you know, the boys have been reformulating the Protege plastic for drivers and have arrived at a good blend. The current Protege plastic will be reserved for putters and mids. Basically, think of it like KC pro vs driver pro. Also, their new Gravity line plastic is a softer pro more like JK.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby JR » Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:09 pm

The original Protege on the Rampage seems way less durable than driver pro let alone the KC pro. The grip of the Protege is better than pro thanks to the tackiness.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby victorb » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:08 am

The pinnacle rampage that I tried out was very fast, but really dropped out of the air when the fade kicked in. About the same distance I was getting my new star boss to (just over 400' consistently) but the boss seemed to penetrate forward more at the end of it's flight. If the pinnacle beats out the LSS fast, it could be a crazy long disc.

Wasn't that impressed with the pinnacle cannon I tried. Feels like it has too much high speed turn for me to throw consistently. Too often I turned it and didn't get enough height on it to work back. Lost a lot of potential distance.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby Peximan » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:12 am

WTF!!!!??? I've got icon Cannon and it was great fast disc. Now I don't what happened, dome of the disc became somekind of "anti"dome, so middle section of upper disc is down. Disc became WAY more flippier than it was before. Sides of rim are good condition, is there anyway to fix this problem?
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby jubuttib » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:28 am

Peximan wrote:WTF!!!!??? I've got icon Cannon and it was great fast disc. Now I don't what happened, dome of the disc became somekind of "anti"dome, so middle section of upper disc is down. Disc became WAY more flippier than it was before. Sides of rim are good condition, is there anyway to fix this problem?
Turn the disc upside down and prop it around the edge (easiest way is to put it on a cooking pot upside down), and pour boiling water into the "bowl". If that doesn't do it by itself, push the flight plate out with something. After that rinse with very cold water and preferable put it into a freezer to set.
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby Peximan » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:42 am

jubuttib wrote:
Peximan wrote:WTF!!!!??? I've got icon Cannon and it was great fast disc. Now I don't what happened, dome of the disc became somekind of "anti"dome, so middle section of upper disc is down. Disc became WAY more flippier than it was before. Sides of rim are good condition, is there anyway to fix this problem?
Turn the disc upside down and prop it around the edge (easiest way is to put it on a cooking pot upside down), and pour boiling water into the "bowl". If that doesn't do it by itself, push the flight plate out with something. After that rinse with very cold water and preferable put it into a freezer to set.



Thanks! I will try that!
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Re: cannon and rampage

Postby Chadi » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:19 pm

I picked up a red, max weight, flat top Pinnacle Rampage and it is exactly what I was looking for. I can work distance out of it in a headwind without losing control and trust it to not get carried away. It's very good at carrying long hyzer lines and forehand flex shots. I think the speed does live up to the hype but it has a lot of LSS so don't expect it to out drive Bosses or Nukes.
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