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Talon equivelant?

Postby Pwingles » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:35 pm

I remember it being like a cross between a beefy eagle and a banshee (been awhile, might not even be the same disc), i tried looking on joes chart, didnt see it.
Does any manufacturer make a mold roughly similar currently? DGA?
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby NoLifeLeft » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:57 pm

Roc Lover wrote:i tried looking on joes chart, didnt see it.

I've got an old one laying around.
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby BLURR » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:33 am

According to the MSDGC flight chart, the Talon is a slightly slower OLF. I wish that Discraft would bring the Talon back as it was a really great disc. An ESP Talon would be nice.
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby BeSquared » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:40 am

I really miss the talon...
Meh...
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby discspeed » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:07 am

The Talon was a lot like the flat clear 11x Champ EXs, only with a little more glide. I also always thought they flew a lot like CE FLs.
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby Pwingles » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:54 am

discspeed wrote:The Talon was a lot like the flat clear 11x Champ EXs, only with a little more glide. I also always thought they flew a lot like CE FLs.

Sounds like the banshee/eagle bastard i was remembering, beagle if you will
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby discspeed » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:08 am

Roc Lover wrote:
discspeed wrote:The Talon was a lot like the flat clear 11x Champ EXs, only with a little more glide. I also always thought they flew a lot like CE FLs.

Sounds like the banshee/eagle bastard i was remembering, beagle if you will


Yeah, and it was a little faster/longer than either.
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby veganray » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:11 am

Eagle Talon = Plymouth Laser = Mitsubishi Eclipse

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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby Pwingles » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:31 pm

You forgot fastandfurious.jpeg
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby Mark Ellis » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:16 pm

The Z Talon is a disc which is important to my game yet rarely makes my bag. When the big, nasty winds come out so does the Z Talon. Z Talons are very overstable but not crazy overstable.

Overstable discs, to be useful, sit on a fine line : overstable enough but not too overstable. They must be able to fight headwinds but if they are too overstable they have no glide and gain no distance. In my book the Z Talon fits that spot.

The Z Talon is to my Nukes what a Z Zone is to my Buzzzes: the headwind workhorse alternatives for my drivers and mids.
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby Pwingles » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:14 pm

why was it unpopular enough in your opinion to be discontinued?
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby Mark Ellis » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:37 am

Roc Lover wrote:why was it unpopular enough in your opinion to be discontinued?


Popularity is a mysterious thing. Most of Rap and Country music 's charm is elusive to me yet obvious to others.

A Z Talon is not (or more accurately should not be)a staple disc for most non-tournament players. It is just too overstable. The only player I knew who used it as a primary driver was Geoff Bennett, who is a big-power forehand dominant thrower.

In the same way a Drone or an Extreme or a Whippet X is too overstable for most players to control. At this kind of stability the disc controls the player not the opposite. If players dialed down to a less overstable disc they would learn how to throw them straight and control lines, becoming better players in the process. Nobody throws an Extreme straight.

But a Z Talon is not crazy overstable and with enough power can be manipulated and controlled. However few players possess this kind of power and are far better off with a straighter disc for most shots.

The Z Talon's great attribute is fighting wind. While a Talon is not hugely more overstable than a Crush (which is akin in flight path to a Firebird), for example, it fights the wind much, much better. Not that Crushes are wimps, mind you, they are my primary overstable drivers and I love them. But at the point the winds pick up to around 30mph and stronger, the Talon becomes golden. I have played two tourneys already this year where the winds came out and the Talon saved my game.
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby discspeed » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:27 am

I think the Talon had trouble because there was a lot of confusion in the Discraft lineup when it was released. The Talon was one of the very early Z plastic discs, and out of Discraft's early Z lineup both the Z Predator and Z Extra were both overstable as well...Then Discraft released the Z Flick, another overstable mold...Many Z Reapers were really overstable at the time too, so Discraft had all these different overstable molds competing with each other. In the end it was the Pred and Flick that remained as all the others went OOP (probably because they are a little easier to get distance out of).
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Re: Talon equivelant?

Postby ziggy » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:24 pm

I have enough talons stocked up.
They are my go to drivers.
Becomes a running joke to those who know I'm deaf and voice the talons in my "accent"
I have super beat anhyzer roller talons to new beefy wind fighters ready for play.
If I ever run out, i'll switch back n forth with riptides and tsunamis.
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