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Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby ashley » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:04 pm

So, in the last month. I have picked up several Valkyries. I now have 8 new ones. 4 are good ol' valks, 4 have plus rims. I have only had the chance to throw one of the plus molds so far, and it is much more stable than a regular Valk. Is this the new route they are going with these? I also noticed that according to disc golf center, a valk plus doesn't exist.
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Re: Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby JR » Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:50 pm

Innova mistakes do. I haven't thrown plus Valks but in PDs some pluses are way more overstable than regulars. I have a Big D fundraiser Ontario Star Roc+ that is around DX Ranchero in stability so the plus versions can get more overstable. I heard the first plus Teebirds were more like slow Firebirds being horribly more OS than regular Teebirds. I have no personal experience of plus molds as i try to avoid them like plaque but from hearsay some individual discs are a hair less HSS than regulars so there is a lot of variation. And i have no clue about any individual molds being farther off or closer to regulars in general.
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Re: Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby victorb » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:58 am

I don't know if that's the direction they are going but I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

The main theory of the plus mold is to distribute more of the disc weight towards the rim of the disc, increasing gyroscopic tendencies of the mold and as a side effect making the discs fly a bit more stable.
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Re: Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby Wyno » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:16 am

victorb wrote:I don't know if that's the direction they are going but I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

The main theory of the plus mold is to distribute more of the disc weight towards the rim of the disc, increasing gyroscopic tendencies of the mold and as a side effect making the discs fly a bit more stable.

I seem to remember someone quoting Dave Dunipace saying that a more comfortable grip and a more consistent release was the point, but the weight distribution would change as well, that's true. Some people (Jhern) would claim that such a small change would be unnoticeable in flight, though.
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Re: Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby jubuttib » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:59 am

Every little bit helps.

Additionally he said that for Teebirds etc., it helps them run max weight discs clearer, due to the +mold adding volume.
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Re: Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby ashley » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:54 pm

Had a chance to throw one of the lighter ones today(162) It was a little more stable than my other 162's but it wasn't as much as the 167. I actually liked the way it flew. My hubby threw it once, and was able to throw it 350' on a good line without much fade left or right. It was a tad more stable for me, but when I was able to get a good runup was pretty close to 300'.

I think the 162 will be very nice, where the 167 will need to be broken in quite a bit. The 167 throws more like my light orcs than a valk.
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Re: Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby JR » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:29 am

I don't know what the percentage of ladies throwing to around 300' is but i think it is a fairly low percentage. Good job!
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Re: Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby NoLifeLeft » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:24 am

What plastic are these Valks in?
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Re: Valkyrie Plus vs. Old

Postby swel304 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:49 am

I throw one of the new +rim pro valks @ 168 (from what I understand ALL current run pro valks are +rim), and while i don't hate the plus rim I still prefer a normal rim. It does feel comfortable in a resting grip but through the rip it seems to slip out of my hand just a tad early on most drives. That said it is very forgiving because I still getting pretty solid controlled drives with it even when I get a little slip. Other than that I personally do not see anything different about it than my other valks in that weight range, possibly a little more glide. My guess would be that people who would say they are more stable might be having trouble holding on to the slanted rim long enough when comparing it side by side to a regular valk, but it's hard to say since it could effect each mold in a different way and isn't supposed to make any difference at all according to the manufacturer. Mine is also beating in rather quickly which could be skewing my opinion of it's flight further. I can toss it about 330'-360' depending on the day FWIW.
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