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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:39 pm

Well, I don't like curvy drives like you get with the Tern. I don't rely on S curves in my driving. The Renegade is a straighter flyer, IMO. Great for hyzer flipping to straight, with minimal fade. I've only thrown the 'Lucid' though.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:47 pm

My Renegades are way more understable than my Champ Terns. There is no S with those on my throws unless I anyy them or throw them into the wind. The only reason there is no S with my Renegades is: they don't come back. That's why they got benched.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:31 pm

They shouldn't be. It could be speed related, or maybe weight. What weights are your Renegades? And also, which plastic? Fusion and Bio-Fusion will break in much quicker than Lucid.

The champ Tern's I've thrown were Katana-like, too much lateral movement. Fun to throw, but not on courses...for me.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:57 pm

My Renegades are roughly 165 and 170 Lucid and 168 Bio.

I've not seen champion Terns like you describe.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:53 pm

Okay on your Renegades. Rated at -1.5 turn, 2.5 fade. I'd put my Lucid at -2, 2 with the flashing gone. It can be flippy with some anhyzer or into the wind, but that's not how I throw it. It's my stable-understable driver for hyzer flip straight drives and controlled anhyzers. I use a champ Orc and/or QOLF for OS duty.

I guess the champ Terns are straighter like Innova claims, although my 2 first runs with the star stamp weren't.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:29 pm

My Star might as well be a different mold just as the listed numbers suggest. -4 2. Still trying to figure out the GStar, but so far it seems to fit right in between.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:42 pm

How can your Lucid Renegades be too understable if your Star and G Star Terns are -4,2, or thereabouts? Do you just prefer the Tern?
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:00 pm

I don't recall saying they are too understable. But yes, for that type of flight, I prefer my Terns.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:06 pm

Okay, got it. Both are good discs.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:08 pm

Agree. I actually hate that my Renegades are so consistent. I bought a few hoping they would cover diffenet winds. Nope, pretty much the same.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby UncleBrother2001 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:40 pm

Have you guys seen on Ebay that someone is selling a St. Patricks day Tern for 40 bucks? That's nutz man

The only reason I really didn't go for the Renegades was 1. I've always felt that the Latitude/Westside/DD flies more understable than what the numbers lead you to believe. 2. I've got so much time and energy wrapped up in my Terns that I don't really want to look for another high speed driver as the Tern suits my style of play better.

Going back to how all the Trilogy plastics fly understable than what the numbers say. I've never threw DD except for The Judge,but I have experience with many Latitude 64 and Westside discs and they fly much more understable than what it says on the disc. My buddy has a DD Escape. He likes it but he says it flies a lot more understable than he thought it would.

My Terns however will stay in my other bag and when I can get to where I can throw the champion plastic 390ft+ all the time then all of them will go back into my main bag. I still have some days where I can throw them great on one hole then on another hole I'm struggling to get it to 390. These are my Champion plastics. My G-Star and Star Tern always throw really good for me. the Champion is just a bit different in feel,but I will eventually get to where I can throw these things great. :D
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:28 pm

UncleBrother2001 wrote:Have you guys seen on Ebay that someone is selling a St. Patricks day Tern for 40 bucks? That's nutz man

The only reason I really didn't go for the Renegades was 1. I've always felt that the Latitude/Westside/DD flies more understable than what the numbers lead you to believe. 2. I've got so much time and energy wrapped up in my Terns that I don't really want to look for another high speed driver as the Tern suits my style of play better.

Going back to how all the Trilogy plastics fly understable than what the numbers say. I've never threw DD except for The Judge,but I have experience with many Latitude 64 and Westside discs and they fly much more understable than what it says on the disc. My buddy has a DD Escape. He likes it but he says it flies a lot more understable than he thought it would.

My Terns however will stay in my other bag and when I can get to where I can throw the champion plastic 390ft+ all the time then all of them will go back into my main bag. I still have some days where I can throw them great on one hole then on another hole I'm struggling to get it to 390. These are my Champion plastics. My G-Star and Star Tern always throw really good for me. the Champion is just a bit different in feel,but I will eventually get to where I can throw these things great. :D


<<"Have you guys seen on Ebay that someone is selling a St. Patricks day Tern for 40 bucks? That's nutz man">>

I can find them in the clearance bin for $10 in a couple more months. Always see the remaining special stamped seasonal discs in there.

<<"I've always felt that the Latitude/Westside/DD flies more understable than what the numbers lead you to believe">>

I've thrown some Flows and Rivers that were the opposite. But in general, I think it may be true. Could be the flashing issue with Lat 64 and Westside...how much flashing was on the testers.

Champ Terns are more stable than Star or G-Star, and are rated as such by Innova.

I can get more snap, straighter flight, and very near equal distance out of my Lucid Renegades. Both have great glide, but I think the Renegade is slightly better in that respect too. AND I actually think the Renegade is more stable than the Tern, but the Tern needs more power to reach it's optimal cruising speed(and true flight). That could be why some consider the Renegade more understable. The Renegade is like a broken-in Wraith, with enhanced glide.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby UncleBrother2001 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:46 pm

So would you say a Renegade throws similar to a Pro Wraith then? I have thrown a Pro Wraith before. It was the first driver I broke 400ft with :D
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:51 pm

A Fusion or Bio Fusion maybe. I was talking about Lucid Renegade/Champ Wraith. A Champ Wraith takes a lot to get beaten in. But if you can imagine that, then think Lucid Renegade out of the box. Same rim width, same speed, same sharp wing, and similar flight.

BTW, the Renegade kicks the Flow's a$$ bigtime! Flow's are all over the place in stability, power hungry, and strangely touchy too. The Renegade is much straighter, smoother in flight, and easier to throw.

If you're worried about the Renegade being too understable, stick with Lucid and get a heavier one, at least 170+.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby UncleBrother2001 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:06 pm

If I ever decide to try one I'll keep that in mind. thanks :)
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