BentElbow11 wrote:No problem. Maybe your friend will buy one and then hand it over to you, lol.
Not only would I not say that, the statement itself makes no sense. Too understable for what?BentElbow11 wrote:PMantle will tell you the Renegade is too understable.
BentElbow11 wrote:Sounds about right, based on my experience with the champ Tern. But I remember it having a lot of lateral movement, like a Katana.
So, we're talking about Valkyrie-like stability(champ) to very understable(Star).
I disagree with everything above. Renegades are a good bit more understable than champ terns. In Bounds does not have a flight for all three plastics. They appear to be using the numbers from the Star which is more understable than Renegades. Hell, even GStar at -3 is more stable than all of my Renegades. If the Tern reminds you of a Bolt, then you are doing something seriously wrong. Oh, and your speculation re; "up to speed does not wash since I found the Bolt(faster than Tern) unusably flippy. Maybe you have just gotten freak Champ Terns? Wait, do you even throw Champ Terns?BentElbow11 wrote:I thought you were down on the Renegade because you thought it was "way understable" compared to the Tern, and that you're not throwing them anymore for that reason.(see previous posts)
I'll say it again, the Renegade is NOT as understable as the Tern. My guess is you're not getting the Tern up to its cruising speed and it's flying more stable for you. The Renegade has a narrower rim and is easier to get up to speed. It's also possible that you're having to torque over the Tern to get decent flight, and throwing the Renegade the same way will make it appear more understable for you. Try a clean slight hyzer-flat release with the Renegade and watch what happens.
Keep in mind, the Tern is rated at -3,2, and the Renegade at -1.5, 2.5...FWIW. 'Inbounds' has the Tern at -52%, 46%, and the Renegade at -36%, 58%.
The Tern reminds me a lot of the Bolt...same rim width at 2.3cm, same shallower rim at 1.1cm, both high speed understable.
Well, if you're looking for a wide spectrum of stability from the same mold in different plastics, that's a tall order, IMO. The differences are usually subtle. And premium plastic isn't going to beat in much at all.
I think you just like the Tern and don't like the Renegade, and have somehow convinced yourself that the Tern is a much more stable disc. Or, it could be you're dealing with a "speed stable" issue...which is the most likely explanation, IMO.
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