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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:47 am

BentElbow11 wrote:Look, any Innova driver in champ plastic is more stable than Pro, Star, or DX. Innova has even recently changed the numbers on the champ Boss, Katana, Vulcan, etc. to reflect this. Comprende?

Well, yeah sorta. Only a few are different enough for the chart to have different numbers. So, not all are as different according to the manufacturer. Comprende?
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:55 am

Are we done yet? Or are you going to continue to disagree with Innova's own description of the Tern?

You might want to read some of the user reviews of the Tern too, and figure out why yours are flying so stable.

Another individual here described the champ Tern as like a super long Valkyrie. That's what I thought too when throwing it, stability-wise, although with a curvier flight. But you say it's like a Destroyer? How far are you throwing the thing?
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:57 am

PMantle wrote:
BentElbow11 wrote:Look, any Innova driver in champ plastic is more stable than Pro, Star, or DX. Innova has even recently changed the numbers on the champ Boss, Katana, Vulcan, etc. to reflect this. Comprende?

Well, yeah sorta. Only a few are different enough for the chart to have different numbers. So, not all are as different according to the manufacturer. Comprende?


No comprende. Innova is actually putting different numbers on the champion versions to reflect how they're more stable...right on the disc.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:59 am

BentElbow11 wrote:
PMantle wrote:
BentElbow11 wrote:Look, any Innova driver in champ plastic is more stable than Pro, Star, or DX. Innova has even recently changed the numbers on the champ Boss, Katana, Vulcan, etc. to reflect this. Comprende?

Well, yeah sorta. Only a few are different enough for the chart to have different numbers. So, not all are as different according to the manufacturer. Comprende?


No comprende. Innova is actually putting different numbers on the champion versions to reflect how they're more stable...right on the disc.

Exactly. Only on some molds though. The Tern is one.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:02 am

BentElbow11 wrote:Are we done yet? Or are you going to continue to disagree with Innova's own description of the Tern?

You might want to read some of the user reviews of the Tern too, and figure out why yours are flying so stable.

Another individual here described the champ Tern as like a super long Valkyrie. That's what I thought too when throwing it, stability-wise, although with a curvier flight. But you say it's like a Destroyer? How far are you throwing the thing?

We have only just gotten started!

Your question is flawed. Which Tern? There are 3 and their flights are all different complete with different numbers.

Yeah, I've read the reviews. "More stable than numbers" is common.

It's like a pro destroyer. I cannot handle star or champ destros for anything other than strong head winds. Funny how you left pro out. I can't figure out if you are simply unintelligent or intellectually dishonest.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:08 am

Reviews I've seen say the champ Tern is more stable than the Star, sure. That doesn't make it Destroyer-like. It's still an understable driver.

Look, PMantle, I like you. I'm not trying to be an "ass". But something's not right if you think the Renegade is "way more understable than the Tern." The only plausible explanation, IMO, is a "speed stable"/distance issue. Maybe go back to the Renegade and try throwing it without 45 degrees anhyzer?
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:13 am

Star Tern...-4,2
G-Star Tern...-3,2
Champion Tern...-2,2
All Destroyers...-1,3

These are Innova's numbers!

Renegade -1.5, 2.5...
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby limonsock » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:57 am

So the GStar Tern is closer in stability to the champ?
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:12 pm

limonsock wrote:So the GStar Tern is closer in stability to the champ?

Mine is. Fit's right in between which is wonderful. If my Star begins a right move, it never comes back unless a good bit of downwind. GStar comes back.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby JR » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:43 am

Discs in the same run of the same plastic and weight vary often and a lot in the opposite ends of the stability spectrum. Outer edge and dome height differences possibly with different curves in the wings anyone? Pics might resolve the issue if they are profile ones.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:42 am

Another supposedly overstable one from the Tri companies that is more understable than Champ Terns.....
Sorcerer. Bought it to be a driver for head winds that my heavier champ Tern can not handle. Nope, turns with ease. Good disc though. Like a every so slightly longer Renegade. I think it's time that Lat/West either revamped their numbers or came out with an explanation of what they mean. They are obviously different than Innova's.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby JR » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:44 am

Lat has to my knowledge never claimed to have numbers compatibility to any other company. Aside of Vibram no attempt at having the numbers describe something measurable has been made by any company. Lat just puts a number higher than that of Innova to speed. If most customers were informed they would steer clear of fast discs and surpassing the number of the competition would hurt sales. Since does it go to eleven sells more we know how well informed the majority of disc golfers are.

Speaking of new Westsides Worlds of the initial 1000 first runs had two distinctly different general types with some falling in between. Have not seen regular production ones yet. Frs had flatter high plh Boss os or faster Force type of flight. There were variations in plh of the domier ones that looked much less overstable. The high plh flattish Worlds took headwinds fh easily meaning in stiff headwinds bh they hooked hard fairly early. Say Teerex in calm conditions kind of fade. Meaning trx of all the variations. Bigger arms than me could get the domier ones to turn slowly. So the headwind handling could be iffy. I am interested in the less beefy variation so i may buy one eventually.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:57 am

12, whatever that rim size is, is my limit. I can get the occasional bomb from larger, but I just don't get good releases often enough with larger. The exception is my Air King. I only use it where max down wind distance is needed. It's the longest disc I've ever thrown by a good margin, but I can only use it a couple times or so a round. Sometimes none-just depends on wind.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby BentElbow11 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:24 am

PMantle wrote:Another supposedly overstable one from the Tri companies that is more understable than Champ Terns.....
Sorcerer. <<Bought it to be a driver for head winds that my heavier champ Tern can not handle.>> Nope, turns with ease. Good disc though. Like a every so slightly longer Renegade. I think it's time that Lat/West either revamped their numbers or came out with an explanation of what they mean. They are obviously different than Innova's.


Why would you think a champ Tern would be good in a headwind in the first place? Crazy!

Please just get a dedicated OS driver so you'll stop trashing every driver here but the Tern.

Tons of misinformation coming from you...not good.
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Re: Innova Tern

Postby PMantle » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:30 am

BentElbow11 wrote:
PMantle wrote:Another supposedly overstable one from the Tri companies that is more understable than Champ Terns.....
Sorcerer. <<Bought it to be a driver for head winds that my heavier champ Tern can not handle.>> Nope, turns with ease. Good disc though. Like a every so slightly longer Renegade. I think it's time that Lat/West either revamped their numbers or came out with an explanation of what they mean. They are obviously different than Innova's.


Why would you think a champ Tern would be good in a headwind in the first place? Crazy!

Please just get a dedicated OS driver so you'll stop trashing every driver here but the Tern.

Tons of misinformation coming from you...not good.

Because it is.

I have to think you're laughing as you type this because even at my best, I cannot troll this poorly :lol:

I have trashed one driver in my life:Flow. Hate it.

I carry a Crush for overstable duties, but where I play it's very rare to have a severe headwind. It just doesn't happen.
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