JR wrote:How many feet of fade less do new flat Buzzz SSs have va a new flat top high plh z Buzzz? How much more turn there is with the SS, like a new X Buzz? Do SSs come in tacky plastics? Z Buzzz has been my main mid for years and on many local holes it fades too much. Are the distances the same with the SS vs a normal?
I'm not sure I can answer your questions. I don't even think about disc flight in some of these terms. Even if you could watch my shots with different Buzzz's I'm not sure it would help much unless we threw with very similar form and power.
I don't throw mid ranges hard. In my game they fit a slot from 100-250 feet in distance with most of them 150-240 feet. Their greatest value is tight tunnels which are straight or slight anhyzers. I seldom throw a Buzzz trying to make it hyzer. For hyzers I typically ramp up to a driver. Oh and since I am forehand dominant I seldom throw anything backhand outside of 100', and never try to throw backhand more than 250'.
I referred to my beautifully broken in and beloved workhorse Buzzz. This disc goes dead nuts straight when I release it flat out to about 220'. The new Z Buzzz SS's will do this as well. For the same shot a strong, fresh Z Buzzz will start out straight but hyzer as it slows down. How many feet does it break? I'm guessing 20-30 or so. I would only throw a fresh Buzzz for this shot (to finish straight or a slight anny) into a firm headwind.
The plastic for the Z Buzzz and new Z Buzzz SS is the same (understanding that from run to run there are inevitably slight differences). Discraft Z plastic is generally what I prefer for mids and drivers. Is this tacky? I love it but how you think of it depends on your definition and preferences. Z plastic tends to mold flatter than X. Z tends to mold flatter than ESP in drivers. Z Buzzzs mold flat (superbly flat, in the good runs) where ESP sometimes dips in slightly concave.
Off the shelf an X Buzzz is more overstable than a Z Buzzz SS but less stable than a Z Buzzz. An X Buzzz breaks in faster than Z plastic and also breaks in to a greater degree. So my most flippy Buzzz is an X, with years of seasoning to get to that level.
The longer the tunnel (or upshot distance) the more I ramp up to a stronger Buzzz. Thrown forehand, there is too greater a danger of flipping a Buzzz over the harder it is thrown. This danger is much reduced backhand due to less flutter on the release.
I don't notice any distance difference in terms of glide (except to the degree that any overstable disc inherently has less glide) but again, I don't throw mids hard.
So my answers are probably inadequate for your needs. But I would say if you love a Z Buzzz and want the same thing in less stability then you should try the Z Buzzz SS.