Ummm... Discraft Guys...

[Thatdirtykid]

Ive heard through the grapevine (my club site) that there are ESP Avengers... Great news for me because In my mind the perfect Avenger would be between the Z and the X in stability....
Theyre going to have some at the tourney I will be playing this weekend, I just hope they take checks because I only have enough cash for registration (mabey I can give them the check! )

[Frank Delicious]

I am highly excited and demand to know more.

[twmccoy]

Boy, I wish they'd make that disc less sharp on the bottom angle. I love the way the avenger flies but it tears up my finger when I throw it. I've actually had some of my longest throws with it.

[Thatdirtykid]

the z new did that to me too, but my x never gave me much trouble, Its a newer run, I believe they may have changed that...
however my new x avenger is a tad less stable than my older ones.

[Thatdirtykid]

Alright bought one today threw it today, and fell in love today.
Best avenger yet.
Sad news, fundraiser only disc, only 600 were made, and I only had enough $ to buy one...

Its rated a 1.7 (while x is 1.6 and z is 1. and flies like it too. flies into a moderate headwind how an x does in no wind. Just as long too

[Blake_T]

tsunami might be up your alley.

esp plastic, retooled predator as well.

guessing it's slightly more stable.

[Thatdirtykid]

yeah, I have been throwing the tsunami a bit lately also. Its lighter than I usually throw yet still more overstable than my Z avenger (which is a bit to hoggish for me to throw for distance). The X avengers break in really fast and in the process are great easy to control D drivers. This esp one is just stable enough to not break in too fast, but still get similar D. Im keeping the tsunami out of the bag until I decide wether I want to throw avengers and predators, or add another disc in there. ( I have yet found a reason to carry both, Z avengers are very similar new)

[TexasOutlaw]

I was about to ask about the esp avenger. I do have a question though: if it's between an x and a z avenger, wouldn't that be like a crush?

Where can I get one of these?

[Thatdirtykid]

similar to a crush, but longer it flies more like an x avenger than a z, throw it next to a brand new x avenger and you can tell its alittle more stable, but its not going to break in like the x (ive given mine 100+ throws, plus 25 or so on the course, and its still more stable than a new x avenger. Not nearly as overstable and a new z avenger, or even my beat one for that matter. good luck finding one.