Teebird and the Teebird-L

[Aaron_D]

My understanding is the L is "Less overstable"...dx Teebirds are pretty darn stable to begin with, does the L version have a shorter lifespan due to this stability when new? Basically, if you have thrown both of these discs, please share your thoughts on the disc's differences.

[Blake_T]

the l version nowadays has a shorter lifespan in pro plastic because it's not very structurally rigid.

the star should have a long life span, but is inherently less stable/overstable than the old se/ce tl's.

basically, the TL flips up more easily, turns more easily, and fades later/less.

the older versions fade more predictably than a T, but the newer ones do not.

[the invisible tree]

Is there anything that can be accomplished with a TL that cannot be done with a seasoned TeeBird?

[Blake_T]

yes.

teebirds aren't great s-curve discs and never really make great rollers.

TL's on the other hand, do.

[soaresjo]

I think I read a post from you (blake) where you said you prefer the star plastic TL over the Pro line? however my memory is horrible. cough cough

[Blake_T]

yes, because the pro TL is way too understable.

the se/ce TL's had a more pronounced fade which made them even better for those shots.

the star TL is fairly straight.

[the invisible tree]

Would you say that the TB and TL complement each other well, or would you recommend something more understable than a TL if I want to use the TB as my main driver? I'm a decent n00b and can get out to 320' with some consistency. Also, is there any difference between a DX TeeBird marked with TB and one with a T only?

Finally, thanks for this site. I was so terrible when I started that I probably wouldn't have played disc golf for more than a week or two without the aid of this site. When I'm the world champ I won't forget about you man! I mean that.

[Blake_T]

generally something with a more pronounced S is best compliment for a teebird.

discs that compliment a teebird fairly well:
eagle
valkyrie
flash
orc

the TB and T are the same disc.

[Bradley Walker]

generally something with a more pronounced S is best compliment for a teebird.

discs that compliment a teebird fairly well:
eagle
valkyrie
flash
orc

the TB and T are the same disc.

Wow, that is exactly what I found.

The Eagle is for high speed turnover and hard heyser at the end (duh).
The Teebird is dead straight or straight lines.
The Valkyrie is for a right finish on a straight line, or a straight shot with no wind where no heyser at the end is desired.

That is the way they sit in my bag, too. Like faster versions of my Cyclones.

BTW, I think the Sidewinder has the same general characeristics at the TL, but blows it away for distance. A sidewinder smokes a retool Beast most times too (which has the same flight characteristics).

[Blake_T]

i've always had mega predictability issues with sidewinders.

e.g. crank it with 40 deg hyzer on an uphill drive and have it flip into a distance turn and never come out of it. next time crank it with 50 deg of hyzer to have it stabilize, not flip, and fade like a mofo.

it is a very hit or miss disc.

[Thatdirtykid]

they sure are pretty to watch fly sometimes though!
lol Idk, Im happier than ever with my Pred/avener/sabre setup right now. I know what my super beat avenger and broken in avengers are going to do 95% of the time (as far as flip or miss stuff) which is more predictable than most anything else.

[soaresjo]

hey I have a question for you none n00bs out there. I have been throwing a teebird as one of my main drivers and I just picked up a TL today. I like the flight of the disc alot but it doesnt seem to go quiet as far as the teebird. How do I need to change my throw? ...or am I just disc challenged ... Is this a general characteristic of these discs? plastic? Suggestions?

-john

p.s.
champ teebird 174
star TL 174

[discmonkey42]

I couldn't get the heavy tl to fly near as nice as a 168 - 172 version. For me, the 168 outflies most except my dx valk.

[bigs348]

Yeah, I'm not sure about heavier weights -- I throw a 171 and a 172 Star TL and they are just money. I can throw them with hyzer and they'll flip up and fly for quite a while on a nice flattened hyzer line. A little less hyzer and a little more power will result in a booming S-curve for really big distance.

Honestly, I'm surprised that a Champ Teebird is going farther than your TL. A DX Teebird I could see, but the Champ for me have very little glide and are super overstable. The Star TL seems to have very good glide for being in Star plastic. If you're really used to the Champ TB and know how to throw it right everytime, that may be why its going farther. A little work with the TL figuring out the right angle/height/power for a good flight should have nice results.

[soaresjo]

alright I guess I just need to practice with the tl some more. thanks
-john