A Note about the Eagle

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A Note about the Eagle

Postby Blake_T » Thu May 18, 2006 7:51 pm

btw...

got it verified from Innova west today...

all eagles will be EL's from now on... so stock up on true E's if you can...

and no, the EL's aren't marked EL, they just have an E on the bottom so it will actually take feeling/looking at the rim.
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Postby Muffin_Man » Thu May 18, 2006 8:19 pm

Is this done to match their ratings more? ie. Beast retool?

How will this affect your opinion of the Eagle as one of the most versatile?

What will it's new flight ratings be for your flight chart?


I'm a little disappointed as I just realized the Eagle I picked up yesterday has a slightly convex section on the underside of the rim... Which means it's the EL version.
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Postby Blake_T » Thu May 18, 2006 8:37 pm

it's actually the notch at the wing that is the key.
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Postby Jwt4412 » Thu May 18, 2006 9:42 pm

Blake,

For us picking up the conversation in the middle...

What's the difference?

Thanks.
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Postby Blake_T » Thu May 18, 2006 9:43 pm

the EX always fades if flipped.

the EL is a lot more understable at high speeds and a lot less predictable at low speeds.

i would put the EL closer to a valkyrie, but possibly a bit flippier at high speeds.
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Postby Jwt4412 » Thu May 18, 2006 9:45 pm

How do you tell the difference if it doesn't have the code on it?
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Postby Blake_T » Thu May 18, 2006 9:48 pm

heh...

like you would any L mod. feel the edge of the rim. if there is a notch, it is an X mold, if it is smooth, it is an L mod.

discs that have L mods:
Eagle (unmarked, all new will be EL)
Teebird (pro TL, star TL)
Firebird (unmarked, pro FL)
Starfire (unmarked, pro SL, star SL, about 15% of champ)
Monster (unmarked, all new champ will be ML)
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Postby Jwt4412 » Thu May 18, 2006 9:49 pm

What was the rational they give for the change?
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Postby Blake_T » Thu May 18, 2006 9:56 pm

there wasn't one, but it was probably something like the EX flew too overstable in champ. i know the champ eagle was planned for discontinuation this year.

if they had cited redundancy i would have puked.

they claim that was the reason for the beast retool...
valk, viking, beast, orc...

yet now there's sidewinder, roadrunner, beast, el, valk which are a whole lot closer to each other than the viking/valk beast and orc.
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Postby Jwt4412 » Thu May 18, 2006 10:03 pm

I just started throwing an Eagle.

I am guessing by your discription it is an EL. When I throw it --- starts to the right straightens out long and a quick hard left at the end.

Tried it after your comments on the RoadRunner, find myself throwing this Eagle more and more.

The Eagle EL is probably as overstable as I can throw right now - how much dramatic of a change was the retool?
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Postby Blake_T » Thu May 18, 2006 10:04 pm

substantial.

it's like a totally different disc.

in champ plastic it's more of a straight driver vs. the original being more of an overstable driver.

in dx plastic it's understable rather than being a stable driver.
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Postby Weebl » Thu May 18, 2006 10:49 pm

They're changing DX Eagles to ELs as well? Argh.
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Postby presidio hills » Fri May 19, 2006 1:08 am

hey blake,

i'm the dude you talked on the phone with today at gggt. do you think that other disc sellers online will take the time/know to successfully fish out the true dx eagles? anyways, it's a pitty because i feel Es are understable enough...
my plan is to use the ones i got till they're done. then think of a different mold to toss.
i guess this is how it goes...
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Postby Blake_T » Fri May 19, 2006 1:20 am

there are a handful that might....
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Postby presidio hills » Fri May 19, 2006 2:42 am

cool,

i appreciate that you're staying on top of these things, so that we the buyers can know exactly what were buying. good thing you work where you do so you get to see it all first hand...
anyways, i'll call around and see if anyone knows what i'm talking about... then try and get a little stack goin' on!
otherwise, hopefully i'll find a store on a road trip or get some at a tourney... or perhaps the dude in berkeley that fishes them out of the lake (WAY underrated course, btw)
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