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Postby redspexxx » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:09 pm

what exactly is a torque monkey?
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Postby disc_golfing_fool » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:30 pm

what exactly is a torque monkey?




it's because they are overstable and most people are torque monkeys that can't throw stable mids/putters so they seek out overstable plastic versions of stable discs in order to compensate for their lack of form.


Hi, my name is Steve and I'm a torque monkey.


Actually, I find this phrase is a great mental game tool. Before every shot, I think "don't be a torque monkey", which makes me smile, loosens me up, and allows me to throw smooth and long. I love throwing Rocs when everyone else is throwing drivers off the tee.
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Postby Blake_T » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:31 pm

torque monkey = someone that flips discs due to off-axis torque. the majority of torque monkeys blame the disc for flipping.

e.g. my broken in z xtreme is way too flippy.
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Postby lacrimosa » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:49 pm

I played a tournament last weekend, and it was filled with torque monkeys. one of the holes had a steep downhill slope to the right with a constant 30+ mpg headwind. it was pretty entertaining watching them yank it into the headwind, then yell "heel!" and "flex!" as their disc sailed down 400' from the pin :wink:
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Postby disc_golfing_fool » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:50 pm

Blake_T wrote:torque monkey = someone that flips discs due to off-axis torque. the majority of torque monkeys blame the disc for flipping.

e.g. my broken in z xtreme is way too flippy.


I know that guy!!! LMAO!!! :D

I played with him for my first 1.5 years of DG. He's a good buddy of mine, but our games have since diverged. Last I heard he was moving from Orcs to TeeRexs.

It'll be interesting at our next rematch.
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Postby the invisible tree » Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:01 pm

Blake_T wrote:e.g. my broken in z xtreme is way too flippy.


I would say that guy is a torque gorilla.
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Postby discmonkey42 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:57 pm

Thatdirtykid wrote:you may have to rephrase,
best as in the best one thats overstable?
or
best as in the one thats most overstable?


I guess that what I was asking is that I've read a lot that you want to have an overstable roc in your bag for headwinds and left turning mid shots. I've recently switched to throwing a roc and love it. A new dx roc works for me in the wind, but not so much in heavier wind (probably more technique than disc). Of the following, which best fills the role of overstable roc? I currently just carry a new dx and a beat glow, but have the following:
I own: a 175, domey, bottom stamp dx roc / a flat topped, color stamped 180 dx roc / a 175 new dx roc / 175 slightly beat glow roc.
I can trade for or spend tournament funny money on: kc pro roc, '05 "super roc", '06 star roc, '06 champ roc, and '06 sb roc.
Also, bt the flat topped dx and the regular dx, which is better and why?

I know the important thing about throwing rocs is to keep the same ones for long periods of time and I don't want to invest time learning one variation if another that I have would be better.
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Postby Blake_T » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:28 pm

the kc rocs are overstable enough for most situations.

if you need more overstable you are better off throwing a very overstable driver.

domey rocs are more overstable than flat ones.

know the important thing about throwing rocs is to keep the same ones for long periods of time and I don't want to invest time learning one variation if another that I have would be better.


this isn't really true.
once you know rocs in generally 2-3 throws should be enough to know how any roc will behave.

super rocs and champ rocs are pretty squirrely and not worth the money.
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Postby sleepy » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:53 am

Blake_T wrote:domey rocs are more overstable than flat ones.

Isn't this rather backwards from other disc molds? I thought, as a general rule, that flatter discs were more overstable than domey discs of the same mold?


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Postby Thatdirtykid » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:15 pm

i believe it depends on how the cooling/doming of the flight plate effects the rim.
My Domey S element X is MUCH more over stable than my flat top element X.
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Postby Blake_T » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:18 pm

flat discs always being more overstable is a myth i confront in my disc shapes article.
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Postby Frank Delicious » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:40 pm

Are Glow rocs more resistant to breaking in than DX rocs? I picked up one a while ago and I was using in my rotation like a DX roc but it seems to be taking much longer to break in than a DX. I had heard that they were just like DX with some glow plastic in them. Maybe not.
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Postby Blake_T » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:06 pm

depends on the era.

star stamp glow is more durable. newer glow is not.
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Postby Weebl » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:23 am

sleepy wrote:
Blake_T wrote:domey rocs are more overstable than flat ones.

Isn't this rather backwards from other disc molds? I thought, as a general rule, that flatter discs were more overstable than domey discs of the same mold?


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It's in Blake's article; Domey discs have a more pronounced fade while flat discs have a less pronounced fade.
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Postby the invisible tree » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:41 pm

Weebl wrote:
sleepy wrote:
Blake_T wrote:domey rocs are more overstable than flat ones.

Isn't this rather backwards from other disc molds? I thought, as a general rule, that flatter discs were more overstable than domey discs of the same mold?


sleepy

It's in Blake's article; Domey discs have a more pronounced fade while flat discs have a less pronounced fade.


Is it that the fade is at a steeper or angle or does the extra air under the disc keep it in the air longer :: creating a longer fade portion of the flight?
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