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Postby Blake_T » Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:57 pm

the DX 150 wraith seems slick -what's the deal? different plastic?


it is pure dx with little to no weight agent.

as for people describing the wraith as "crashing down" what you are seeing is the effects of momentum.

heavier discs carry more momentum into the later half of the flight, forcing penetration.

lighter discs have much greater carry capacity since there is less downward force applied by gravity.

basically, what you are seeing is that you MUST have the wraith significantly nose down and turned to get it to finish nose down and penetrating forward.
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Postby calvarycoffee » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:52 am

as for people describing the wraith as "crashing down" what you are seeing is the effects of momentum.


ah-ha!

i think i'll be using the 150 wraith for 1 disc rounds. it'll be a good "flaw finder" disc. it should help me fix my throwing flaws. plus, to break it in a little more.

can't wait to see it hyzer-flip. i'll aim for the trees hehe.

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150 Wraith

Postby adamschneider » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:11 pm

After a few more throws with my 150g DX Wraith, I thought I'd post my observations. Mostly, this thing is WAY more understable than i was expecting. If thrown level (RHBH), it moves gradually right and then (hopefully) comes back and crashes down. (Very different from the 172g red Star Wraith I'd tried; that one would go arrow-straight, FAST, for 200 feet before fading at all.) In an open field, it's very very nice, but I don't trust it through an alley of trees.

If I anhyzer this thing to any extent, it doesn't come back left. Ever. But if thrown with just a little anhyzer, it gets pretty far down there to the right; it's like a turbo-charged Sidewinder. I guess that could be useful in some situations, but again, not what I expected.

Due to the understableness (understability?), I've had a hell of a time trying to throw it forehand; it tends to dive left unless the outside edge is tipped way down at release. I think I need to stick with heavier discs for sidearm throws.
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Postby Blake_T » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:31 pm

what you are describing sounds more like off-axis torque than the disc being understable, especially at the 200' range you are speaking of.
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Postby adamschneider » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:10 pm

You can call it whatever you want; the point is, at high speeds this disc is turning to the right about as much as my 150g Valkyrie.
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Postby calvarycoffee » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:57 pm

adam,

try a "bonapane" grip with the wraith. (it's pictured in the grip articles) and "whip" the disc out of your hand.

that helps subdue the torque-monkey inside of me. hehe

a 150 valk is super tough to keep stable
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Postby adamschneider » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:19 pm

calvarycoffee wrote:a 150 valk is super tough to keep stable

Yes, but I expect that from a Valkyrie. :)

I'll check out those Martian grips...
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Postby Blake_T » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:20 am

it's unavoidable that i will come off like a dick in saying this, but if the disc is flying how you throw it (off-axis torque = turn) it's not really the disc's fault that this is happening. light discs happen to show flaws that heavy discs mask
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Postby calvarycoffee » Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:17 am

heres the bonapane grip:
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it'll spank the torque monkey. ( i think i'll copyright that. hehe)
i'll use it, maybe, once out of 200 throws

as for disc stability, this picture helped tons:
(thanks blake!)

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