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Postby felixtibs » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:46 pm

I thank you in advance for giving this video a look.
My girlfriend filmed it so the distance is not accounted for...
1st shot was a FLX surge SS thrown high fo 275'
2nd was a SL thrown for 300'
3rd was a 330' Wraith pro with an S turn
4th just sucked!

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Postby dgdave » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:25 pm

Relax!! Your arm looks tense the whole time. You are also curling your arm, especially your wrist. Keep em straighter.

You should also throw slower discs. Gazelles, Chetahs, and Cyclones are popular choices.

youve got a cute GF too, by the way.
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Postby felixtibs » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:24 pm

Relax you say?

hmm, well lets delve deeper into that statement. Am I understanding that i will get a smoother kinetic chain of events with a relaxed arm vs a stiff arm?

Second, too much curl?

How does one create the "snap" of a release without curling into flexion and then releasing into extension?

Thank you agin for your assistance, and my gf said thank you as well!
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Postby cmlasley » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:33 pm

felixtibs wrote:How does one create the "snap" of a release without curling into flexion and then releasing into extension?


Pull tighter to your chest. If you keep the disc close to your chest, your elbow will bend and your wrist will naturally flex and then extend if you keep it loose. Keep that pull as tight as possible to your chest - this is the key to snap.
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Postby dgdave » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:42 pm

What Mr. Lasley said. I should have said not so much pre-hit curl.
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Postby felixtibs » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:54 pm

ok, let me see if I understand so I can put this into effect Wednesday.:

Bring the arm closer thru to my chest on the pull thru and this will give me the snap I need? Of course I still need to snap my wrist at the end, no?

So what I do is a line up the shot, point the nose down, then I X step and try and pull the disc straight across my chest and release?
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Postby cmlasley » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:57 pm

felixtibs wrote: Of course I still need to snap my wrist at the end, no?


Nope. If your disc is a millimeter from your pec, your wrist will snap itself. You don't even have to think about it.
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Postby dgdave » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:28 pm

It will just happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7mhLaZCeLM

In this vid of me, you can see my wrist is pretty straight at the pullback, I pull real close to my chest and as I do that my wrist cocks its self as it passes my left peck, then it pops back into place on its own. This hole is only about 215 so its not exaggerated, but you can get the point
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Postby dgdave » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:29 pm

Here's another vid. This is a local Pro who can toss 500 up a slight hill, I've seen and measured it on a few occasions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gMFrfEJ ... re=related

This is a 310 foot shot. Watch his wrist. This also shows great excelleration.
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Postby SiDeArM jUnKiE » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:45 pm

felixtibs wrote:and try and pull the disc straight across my chest and release?
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Postby felixtibs » Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:24 pm

Ok, I can see that

"less is more"

I will try it with some putters for some nice short drives and when I get that I will work my way upwards. Thank you for your input it has been invaluable!
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Postby felixtibs » Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:51 pm

dgdave wrote:You should also throw slower discs. Gazelles, Chetahs, and Cyclones are popular choices.

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Sure, I can pick up a few Dx version to train and develop with. Now for the weight...?
171g is what I use generally. I have a 150 leopard which i have NO control with :-P
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Postby black udder » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:08 pm

It's really hard to beat this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkOE6TAMrY4

The classic Barry video. You don't want to emulate his form, but if you watch, you can see his wrist motion (the snap) in the first throw).

Nate has some good comments on general throwing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWtmRk-_ ... re=related

The infamous distance driving video from Discraft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iff8S0Q- ... re=related

Lots of far drives, but most of these throws are for distance so they're anhyzer. Focus more on everything up to the throw and not the actual throw (unless you're going for distance).

Here's a good one - this guy has a few videos like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb7hqpMj ... re=related

Breaks down the drives of 3-4 guys in slo-mo.

And one on grip w/Feldberg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28ABf6cs ... re=related

This is from one of the DGR members - no analysis, just watch - great video quality and lots of slo-mo so you can see how his body is moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X08-tc6K ... re=related

When you watch him throw, you'll see that he starts the throw with his hip pivot. That gets his arm moving from the reach back towards his torso. As he nears max pivot on the hips, he begins the torso rotation and the super fast arm pull. If you freeze it at :43 you'll see the perfect release - straight out in front with the chest squared up to the target.

It looks like Mike actually has some early releases here, but they're still going a long, long way.

You need to keep the disc as close to your chest and arm as you can until it's the last thing to unfold as your arm extends. Your elbow never locks because the disc comes out right before it does and then you finish and follow through.

Here's an exercise to try:

Grab a disc and stand about a a disc width + 1" away from a wall. The objective here is to reach back with the disc and pull throw slowly, keeping the disc within 1" of the wall and to extend your arm fully from back to front. When your arm is almost extended and the disc is tucked into your wrist, the last movement is to flick the wrist open and the disc would go straight in that direction.

Once you feel you're comfortable with doing that away from a wall. take a disc outside and repeat the exercise with some speed. What you *should* feel is that final pivot of the disc as it moves from being tucked into your wrist to swiveling out and jetting out of your grasp. You need to grip the disc firmly between your index finger and thumb and use the rest of your fingers for support and stability. The disc should pivot/rotate between the index and thumb - that's where you want it to come out when you throw.

Once you get the feeling for that snap, then you can begin to incorporate hip rotation or torso/shoulder rotation. At least then you'll know what you're trying to achieve.

The eventual goal would be to time it all correctly - your hip pivot is smooth and powerful and just as that is almost maxed, your torso rotates and pulls your arm - you then add power to the pull of your arm as fast as you can. If you time it right, you just increase the speed and power of your pull until your chest is square to the target and the disc unfolds down your arm and rips out while your arm is pointing towards your target. Then your arm continues to move past your chest slightly increasing in speed until your off arm comes up to slow you down and allow the follow through.
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Postby black udder » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:13 pm

felixtibs wrote:
dgdave wrote:You should also throw slower discs. Gazelles, Chetahs, and Cyclones are popular choices.

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Sure, I can pick up a few Dx version to train and develop with. Now for the weight...?
171g is what I use generally. I have a 150 leopard which i have NO control with :-P


I'd suggest discs in the mid 160's and see how that goes. If you can throw them without turning them over, then you can use some 150g stuff for glide (valk, sidewinder) or go a little heavier for wind. If you find that you're throwing the stuff over 400', then you might find moving up in weight helpful to add some overstability to the discs.

It's my belief that if you're throwing 350', then a mid 160ish wraith flies for you like a 170+ wraith flies for a person throwing over 430'. In order to benefit from a wraith though, I believe you need to be throwing at least 350'ish (and not with an anhyzer or S throw, just flat 350'ish).

A 150-160g teebird will be a good stable learning disc as well as the others above.
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Postby rehder » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:55 am

One more thing to help with all the nose up throwing. Get your weight forward, when you have your plant foot down lean in the throwing direction. Relax and start the throw slow and then accelerate the closer to the hit you get, and be fast at the end of the throw (doesnt equal strong) And as has been said before, if you happen to hit your right nipple with the disc on your throw you are on the right track
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