death by hyzer wrote:i have never thrown the 150 esp avenger, but i do throw the flicks. out of my 2 150 flicks, the plastic feels like normal esp. oh yeah, it is a sweet disc!
BarrabusTheDiscGolfGnome wrote:150 champ teebirds are super nice, so are the 150 stars I'm told.
jsun3thousand wrote:Disc golfers are holding the sport back.
Strangely, all the champ teebirds I've seen/heard about are gummy while the champ sidewinders and gazelles are not.
marmoset wrote:ESP Avenger (I heard the ESP they used for these is not so great. Is this true? I don't think these qualify as true-overstable anyway)
ESP Flick (Is this the same bad blend of ESP?)
3) I love the heavier version of XLs. How does the 150 version fare compared to the heavies? How does the Pro D hold up?
marmoset wrote:I fully agree about Sidewinders. I have a Star and it is impressively effortless to get 270-300' out of it. I think I am averaging about 330' with it but I have some spring cleaning to do in my form. After that hopefully I will be closer to 400'. Or even better, closer to 700'. Is it worth it to try a Champ or DX Sidewinder?
Has anyone seen a flat top Valk? Star or Champ, doesn't matter. I have a 169 pearlescent Champ Valk that super flat is almost impossible for me to get any HS turn out of (with a flat release). This would be perfect for my 150 bag. I grabbed the flattest Champ Valk that my PIAS had but it is still 1/8th to 3/16ths taller than my 169. Maybe my 169 is just a freak. Would it be worthwhile to try a Star in addition to my Champ? My PIAS has several x-outs but they have normal size domes.Strangely, all the champ teebirds I've seen/heard about are gummy while the champ sidewinders and gazelles are not.
My Champ Valk is normal feeling Champ and my Champ Teebird and Leopard are gummy. I wonder if the wider rimmed discs like Sidewinders, Firebirds, and Valks need more filler so they end up being not-so gummy. When I think about the gummy Champs I have felt they were all smaller winged discs like Teebirds and under.
marmoset wrote:2) I am loving the Gazelle in 150. It is my workhorse but I get a little concerned about the 150 blend of plastic; it seems much less durable than my regular weight DX Gazelles. Has anyone else noticed this? Would the KC pro or Champ Gazelles fly roughly the same with added durability? I know it doesn't really translate well for the heavier ones.
black udder wrote:...For some reason, I really like the valk & teebird in star much more than champ plastic and the sidewinder in champ vs star...
freeus wrote:I've got a pearly 141g KC Pro Gazelle that is holding up really well, actually it feels pretty close to Champ plastic. It is not nearly as flippy as you would think from the light weight; definitely more stable than a 150 DX Gazelle.
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