my apologies if i ruffled any feathers as i did not intend to, but it is understandble if i did so.
i can say that the revolution carolina bag is hands down the best bag on the market. the frame alone (that wow'd me back in 2001 when i first saw them at the fly mart at worlds) is enough to ensure that i will be carrying a revolution bag from here on out (be it club, pro, or team bag).
i realize that the posts of mine that come off as most negative are generally posts that fall into the "keep an open mind" category and are usually focused upon keeping eyes on the big picture and evaluating them fairly.
this is a fairly common post of mine and it happens on all types of threads.
some examples (used purely as examples but capture the undertones of whatever the post may be):
statement: "buy a revolution bag, they are the only good bags on the market."
my reply: "there do exist other good bags on the market."
statement: "buy a wraith, innova makes the only good discs on the market."
my reply: "there are good discs out there not made by innova."
statement: "mach III baskets are the only good baskets."
my reply: "there are other baskets that also catch well, often of the same quality and for a cheaper price."
statement: "champion and z plastic is the only good plastic worth throwing"
my reply: "while they are more durable, there are other plastics that can fly just as well if not better."
generally, my posts that seem negative when i feel opinion is being rail-roaded in a specific direction that leaves no alternative to the one choice.
the items i really champion are generally when they are the best at what they are.
example: best straight driver
the best straight driver is the driver with the best combination of being high speed stable (doesn't turn, isn't overstable at high speeds), being the least low speed overstable while still being predictable (little fade, but fades every time), and has the best carry given the two factors above. from my experience, the dx teebird falls into that niche.
i don't wish for the teebird to last forever. i wish someone would come out with teebird 2.0 that is substantially longer than the teebird while being equal or superior in terms of high speed stability and low speed overstability.
to me, variety is the spice of life as it breeds competition and innovation. everything can always be a little bit better. the more options that exist, the more the bar will be forced to rise.
imo, bags like the innova tour bag and lightning prostyle/large bag are great for revolution because it makes it very apparent just how superior revo bags are. however, there are a handful of bags on the market (made by revolution and by others) that are able to withstand 600+ rounds of serious play.
each person has their own priority list when evaluating my bags and the search narrows with each necessity. in my own case, it is:
1) capacity: must comfortably hold 14+ discs (11 bags fit)
2) multiple drink holders: must have 2+ (5 bags fit)
3) it must have a frame: (2 bags fit)
4) it must have 4 point connectors: (2 bags fit)
5) quality: i want it to last more than 3 years (2 bags fit)
6) price: can i afford it?
for some, #1 is price and that automatically filters out bags above a certain level. for me, #2 is often what eliminates many of the high quality bags on the market.
i have no experience with the pro and club bags from revolution, so i do not know their quality, but i'm sure they are equal to or surpass that of any other bag on the market. i have recommended revolution bags to many, but there are a few instances where i do not:
1) when someone has a strict budget requirement hard cap of $100 and needs 2 drink holders.
2) when someone must have a capacity of 20+ discs and still have room for storage.
it is true that none of the current revolution line is applicable to those two situations.
for some, they are not yet ready to invest in a top quality bag from the get go. i have found it is usually the cheaper bag tearing after 6 months that is the motivator for them to jump to revolution bags. however, others are the weekend warrior types that play maybe 40 rounds a year and those bags may be an ideal fit for their budget.
i completely understand the price of revolution bags. with bags you get what you pay for and quality materials/labor is expensive. i also prefer buying bags that i know were not hand-made by an 8 year old in china for $0.03 a day. it is true that injuries, work, and the passing of my gf have limited my playing time but i was able to get in around 100 rounds this year (which is nowhere near the 300 rounds a year i used to play a few years back). my gateway bag lasted 5+ years and 700+ rounds without a tear (i sold it this summer). i am hoping and fairly certain that my revo bag will last just as long and hopefully well beyond (i'm sure i will post when it gets there).
i just want you to know that i am not trying to step on toes, i just want everyone to go into things with an open mind, eyes open, head on a swivel, and make decisions with complete and objective knowledge of what exists so that they can make the best choice for themselves. hopefully i will find the time/energy to tackle the bag shootout article i have been working on so that i can simply link an article rather than make any statements that may come off in the wrong way.
i do appreciate greatly what you have done for me and have done for the sport.
btw, draw what you can from what i have posted above as they are things i would love to see from revolution in the future: 2 drink holders on the pro/club bags, a larger frame model that will accomodate ~18 discs in the frame. another possible idea would be a "no frills" bag that had the same frame as the tour but with a smaller single storage pocket in order to create a high capacity bag with a very compact size.