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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby Anakha » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:52 pm

Yehosha wrote:
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Yehosha wrote:So after all the love for this and the esp cyclone, I'm torn between sticking with my Z Avenger SS, or trying out one of these. What do you guys think?

Question bump.
The XL will be shorter and have a more gradual turnover, depending on the plastic you get it in.

So is an XL more like a mid and a Cyclone a fairway driver?
No, the XL is longer than the Cyclone, The XL and and the ASS are pretty comparable if you take in the differences in speed. The ASS having a sharper and longer wing makes the differences in flight more pronounced. The Xl will be more controllable.

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Yehosha wrote:Shorter than the Avenger or the Cyclone or both?
Shorter than the Avenger, longer than the Cyclone.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby BLURR » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:44 am

So I picked up an X-XL last weekend(This one might have a bit more Z in it as it is semi-transparent). Played around with it a bit over the past week. Decided to put it in the bag for a tourney this weekend as I needed something that would fly straight and finish straight with little power needed. The XL was the ticket. There was a hole that was 350 feet, slightly uphill, that needed a straight shot and straight finish. Yeah...the XL was so parked that I almost hit my head on the basket picking it up. I was working that thing on shots from 330-350. I might have to get me a Z-XL or ESP XL to go with the X one. The best part was when one of the pro's that was on my card was throwing a teebird and came up short. He walked up and saw my disc and was absolutely disgusted at what I threw :lol:
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby Star Shark » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:15 pm

From what I've heard, you'll want the ESP. The Z XLs come out a bit more stable.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby domromer » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:36 pm

If you like the XL you might like a JLS as well. To me JLS have the same distance. A little less glide, but hold a line better.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby Jsw » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:37 pm

How does an X-XL compare to say, a DX Eagle.

I throw an ESP Cyclone as my workhorse driver, pretty similar i would assume?
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby black udder » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:40 pm

Jsw wrote:How does an X-XL compare to say, a DX Eagle.

I throw an ESP Cyclone as my workhorse driver, pretty similar i would assume?


XL isn't nearly as overstable at low speed as the Eagle. I don't believe it's as high speed stable either.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby garublador » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:44 pm

One of the first discs I owned was an X-XL and it was pretty similar to my DX Cheetah. It might have been a bit less HSS and longer, but it's probably a closer comparison than an Eagle.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby Jsw » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:19 am

Less HSS than a Cheetah? Wouldn't that make it kind of on the fliptastic side?
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby keltik » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:49 am

once they get past beat they are absolutely fliptastic. but up until that point you've got flattened hyzer laser beams. The Z and the FLX XL's are mad stable in comparison to other XLs. More like an Eagle L or a JLS i suppose. Actually the more I think about it an X XL is very similar to an M JLS. I guess if the XL ever goes OoP I could switch to the JLS and not be too upset. The ESP XL is a lot closer to the Star TL though. Both pretty useful if your local course more resembles a logging trail.

the XL in my experience is not as LSS as an ESP Cyclone. Just my experience but your results may vary. The XL does have a ton of glide and will carry further with less effort than a Cyclone. It is also nowhere near as LSS or HSS as an Avenger (again my experience)

It's funny that i took to the XL and not the JLS. Oh well
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby Jsw » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:38 am

Interesting indeed. I feel like the XL would fit my game pretty well.

But I'll probably just stick to Teebirds/Cyclones since thats what I know.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby what'shisname » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:57 am

Doing some field throwing yesterday I took my current bag and threw all of my drivers back and forth on the soccer field for an hour. Every third drive with my Z XL I was able to get it out as far as my distance drivers (ESP Surges).

My max D is only about 360ish though, reliably hitting 300-330' but I'm definitely liking the XL's more and more. I carry a Z, ESP and an X to use in different situations.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby BLURR » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:28 am

I am toying with the notion of dropping my avengers out of my bag in favor of the XL. I might keep a Z-Avenger in the bag for the windy days...but I am really liking the XL.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby SkaBob » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:47 am

I made the opposite switch, Blurrr...

I like the XL, especially the ESP, as it caters to the Comet lover in me. The problem is it's way more difficult to get to ride a long, low hyzer and it's lack of wind resistance keeps it from being a better fairway driver for me. The ESP Avenger beats in to straight and then to flippy, and has the consistency to be reliable even in the wind.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby black udder » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:16 am

But the ESP XL is like 1.2 and the ESP Avenger is 1.8.

Won't dis what you decided to do, but the ESP Avenger isn't a replacement for an ESP XL. :)

The XL is great for wooded courses or shorter tunnel shots beyond the comet's range (due to height). I think, like you've done, you can find other discs worn in that can replace it, but I'm not looking for a minimal bag, so I'm still keeping it in.
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Re: XL why was i not told before!

Postby SkaBob » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:50 pm

oh I use the Stalker for the shots I'd use an XL for, if I absolutely can't hit the line with one of my Avengers...
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