Did you guys read my questions or just start posting about Avengers... Oh wait, I guess I can see the answer to that myself.
Anyway, I would love to see what you guys think about my actual questions.
What is the best ultra-high speed driver?
Which one is actually fastest?
Would you ever use a disc like these for anything but wide open distance?
Is there ever gonna be a point to having a disc like one of these and something like an Orc in the same bag or is that overlap?
So do your questions only apply to the Illusion, Wraith and how they fit in with the Orc? Since we apparently aren't allowed to talk about other discs, here is my answer to those questions:
1) It depends on what you're looking for. I find the Pro Wraith to be the longest, the Illusion to be the most overstable and the Champion Wraith to be somewhere inbetween.
2) I don't know. They're all very similar speedwise.
3) I use them for long hyzers sometimes. I think there are better choices for headwinds, though and none of them are all that straight or controllable for me.
4) I think it would be overlap. I don't think the distance difference between an Illusion or Wraith and an Orc is enough to warrant both.
Throwing the Avenger into the mix (you seemed to be questioning which Discraft discs would fit in there, but when that was talked about you snapped at us) would probably affect my answers, though.