presidio hills wrote:i'm tripping out reading this thread.
i've been throwing the illusion for a month or so now and think it really isn't that overstable. i have a 169 in the S plastic and really think its comparison in stability is close to a champion beast (easy to flip, lots of turn, will probably fade). i usually only have about 300' of consistent golf d (with a pro starfire, dx eagle) but can get the illusion past that easily (if thrown right i'm hitting 350' ). it flips easily then glides through its turn and fades very late. it's awsome for big D if you have enough room for the flip (it does not hold a straight line)... i also like it for low straight shots. this disc can be thrown very low to the ground with less power to go quite straight. it's also great for rollers (disc is cruisin' when it hits the ground). amazing disc! i believe it's WAY better than a CFR wraith.
It may just be me, but I haven't had good luck with the Illusion. If I throw it with a hyzer it stays on a hyzer and if I throw it with an anhyzer it holds the anhyzer line for a long time and then fades hard (which is how I keep losing them). The only time I could get a good throw out of it was when I would get it flat (which I cannot do consistantly) or throwing it with a hyzer into a headwind. I assume it's a combination of my inability to throw with enough speed and it's natural stability. I also never really got one to beat in at all. I had an S that got pretty banged up but still never had that cool, broken in feel to it's flight. I can throw a Spirit with an anhzyer and get a nice, tight S out of it and get good distance with predictability into a headwind so I'm sticking with that.
I wasn't all that impressed with the CFR Wraith either. I can't get it out any farther than any of my other high speed drivers (Avenger, Orion, Spirit), it wasn't especally straight or overstable, so it didn't really fit into my bag. I had to throw it with a bit of anhyzer to get it to fly straight and I'd rather throw an X Avenger or Orion with a hyzer to get the same effect. Again, the Spirit is more predictable for me into the wind with just as much D.
The Pro Wraith is still new to me and I'd like to see what it's like after I break it in some. If I can get it to the point where I can throw with a bit of a hyzer and have it flatten out I may like it, but from what I understand it's not a disc that handles a throw like that well. I'd like to get a D Venom and beat it in for fun, too, just to see what it's like. I doubt this will happen quickly, though. I really should be working on other parts of my game.
Right now I'm throwing a X Avenger for straight hyzer flips that fade, an Orion LS for straight hyzer flips that don't fade and anhyzers (perhaps a really beat X Avenger would work eventually), a Z Avenger for something kind of overstable, but not crazy and Spirits for my overstable needs.