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Forehand Instructional

Postby ChrisWoj » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:59 pm

So... thoughts? This is my second one. Obviously I need a tripod.. the whole camera sitting on a dinner tray isn't working so hot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvmePaqMFcQ
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby The Bird Man » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:07 pm

I throw a lot of forehand and that instructional has me thinking about some different things. Thanks.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby JHern » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:08 pm

Interesting tips. Good emphasis on grip and getting legs/hips into it, and keeping the elbow close. I agree with a lot of what you said.

The firm vs. loose, wrist roll vs. no wrist roll (respectively), I have to think about a bit. This might also depend on how low the pull line is.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby GunnerUnitas » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:12 pm

Nice vid chris, we need to get into that field and deveolp my forehand this off-season like we talked about. having this shot will def. complete my game.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby ChrisWoj » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:31 pm

JHern wrote:Interesting tips. Good emphasis on grip and getting legs/hips into it, and keeping the elbow close. I agree with a lot of what you said.

The firm vs. loose, wrist roll vs. no wrist roll (respectively), I have to think about a bit. This might also depend on how low the pull line is.

You're right now that I think about it, although I really need to be throwing a high angle release to keep my wrist firm through the motion. I know I usually keep it firm through rollers.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby black udder » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:40 pm

Thanks, Chris. My sidearm sucks, so I'll try and put some of those tips to good use in the coming year.

Appreciate you taking your time to put the video together. Much better than text only.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby jw34 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:25 pm

Nice video, good tips and to the point. One question I had was what about thumb use in the grip, both in placement and in pressure on the disc.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby JHern » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:57 pm

ChrisWoj wrote:
JHern wrote:Interesting tips. Good emphasis on grip and getting legs/hips into it, and keeping the elbow close. I agree with a lot of what you said.

The firm vs. loose, wrist roll vs. no wrist roll (respectively), I have to think about a bit. This might also depend on how low the pull line is.

You're right now that I think about it, although I really need to be throwing a high angle release to keep my wrist firm through the motion. I know I usually keep it firm through rollers.


Brad Walker also makes a good point about the forehand in his Snap 2009 thread. Basically, it is that one should try to throw the outside edge of the disc as if it were a hammer, instead of throwing through the middle of the disc. Each time I do this, my fingers snap off the rim and into my palm at release...and the throw is typically doing exactly what I wanted to do after release.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby ChrisWoj » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:51 pm

JHern wrote:
ChrisWoj wrote:
JHern wrote:Interesting tips. Good emphasis on grip and getting legs/hips into it, and keeping the elbow close. I agree with a lot of what you said.

The firm vs. loose, wrist roll vs. no wrist roll (respectively), I have to think about a bit. This might also depend on how low the pull line is.

You're right now that I think about it, although I really need to be throwing a high angle release to keep my wrist firm through the motion. I know I usually keep it firm through rollers.


Brad Walker also makes a good point about the forehand in his Snap 2009 thread. Basically, it is that one should try to throw the outside edge of the disc as if it were a hammer, instead of throwing through the middle of the disc. Each time I do this, my fingers snap off the rim and into my palm at release...and the throw is typically doing exactly what I wanted to do after release.

That depends entirely on the purpose of the forehand. If you want short and accurate forehands you adjust that closer to the center of the disc. Longer shots require the additional leverage of throwing through the far point on the disc.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby JHern » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:26 pm

ChrisWoj wrote:
JHern wrote:
ChrisWoj wrote:
JHern wrote:Interesting tips. Good emphasis on grip and getting legs/hips into it, and keeping the elbow close. I agree with a lot of what you said.

The firm vs. loose, wrist roll vs. no wrist roll (respectively), I have to think about a bit. This might also depend on how low the pull line is.

You're right now that I think about it, although I really need to be throwing a high angle release to keep my wrist firm through the motion. I know I usually keep it firm through rollers.


Brad Walker also makes a good point about the forehand in his Snap 2009 thread. Basically, it is that one should try to throw the outside edge of the disc as if it were a hammer, instead of throwing through the middle of the disc. Each time I do this, my fingers snap off the rim and into my palm at release...and the throw is typically doing exactly what I wanted to do after release.

That depends entirely on the purpose of the forehand. If you want short and accurate forehands you adjust that closer to the center of the disc. Longer shots require the additional leverage of throwing through the far point on the disc.


Indeed.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby tigel » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:19 pm

I liked the video, I wish you made this 5 months ago when I had all these questions when I started playing disc golf. Now I know everything that was said, but a nice reminder, especially on the run up.

My problem is I throw forehand rollers, a LOT. It's one of my favorite throws. I throw both extremely anhyzer angled overstable runners and also flat/slight anhyzer understable rollers that go 100ft then start rolling. The amount of torque/OAT I put on these throws is crazy, BUT I'm consistent and successful in these throws every time. What I'm finding is when I try and throw normal sidearm upshots or drives I tend to put too much arm in my throws and usually end of throw at an anhyzer angle. Today for the hell of it I threw all my drivers forehand. I used to bomb forehand before I started throwing backhand. Every throw just went left. It felt like it was my first week playing again. Even with the knowledge I have on proper form and stuff, I still wasn't able to twink my form today to get a successful throw.

I don't know if I should learn how to throw my rollers for finesse like, which totally ruins the 3 months I've been working on them. Or should I keep working on my forehands and power through the "tough times" I'm experiencing? I just don't know if I can manage to control my OAT that I use for my rollers, when I throw normal.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby ChrisWoj » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:01 am

tigel wrote:I liked the video, I wish you made this 5 months ago when I had all these questions when I started playing disc golf. Now I know everything that was said, but a nice reminder, especially on the run up.

My problem is I throw forehand rollers, a LOT. It's one of my favorite throws. I throw both extremely anhyzer angled overstable runners and also flat/slight anhyzer understable rollers that go 100ft then start rolling. The amount of torque/OAT I put on these throws is crazy, BUT I'm consistent and successful in these throws every time. What I'm finding is when I try and throw normal sidearm upshots or drives I tend to put too much arm in my throws and usually end of throw at an anhyzer angle. Today for the hell of it I threw all my drivers forehand. I used to bomb forehand before I started throwing backhand. Every throw just went left. It felt like it was my first week playing again. Even with the knowledge I have on proper form and stuff, I still wasn't able to twink my form today to get a successful throw.

I don't know if I should learn how to throw my rollers for finesse like, which totally ruins the 3 months I've been working on them. Or should I keep working on my forehands and power through the "tough times" I'm experiencing? I just don't know if I can manage to control my OAT that I use for my rollers, when I throw normal.

It just sounds like you're rolling over on the throws. I know that I roll my wrist over when I throw forehand rollers and I can see how -if you use those a lot- it could interfere with your forehand form. Put some extra emphasis on throwing with the nose of the disc up. Remember to keep the rest of the throw on a level plane, arm coming through horizontal with the ground, but tilt the wrist slightly to force the nose up. This should help you avoid rolling your wrist as much. It isn't a permanent fix, but it'll break the habit and allow you to slide back into comfortably throwing without rolling your wrist.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby Firios » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:58 pm

Great vid. I use a very strange grip that clearly is poor for distance, but I am extremely consistent with it within the 100-250 range. This will definitely be watched a few times when I decide to try and work on some long range forehand form. It would be nice to see some field demonstrations in addition to the explanation, as it is always easier to listen to advice when you can see the throwing form right after, or at the same time.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby ChrisWoj » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:11 pm

Firios wrote:Great vid. I use a very strange grip that clearly is poor for distance, but I am extremely consistent with it within the 100-250 range. This will definitely be watched a few times when I decide to try and work on some long range forehand form. It would be nice to see some field demonstrations in addition to the explanation, as it is always easier to listen to advice when you can see the throwing form right after, or at the same time.

Yeah, the whole spur of the moment recorded at about 3am thing got in the way :) I want to do that long term.
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Re: Forehand Instructional

Postby Monocacy » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:34 am

Chris: I would like to thank you profusely for your forehand instructional. I have been using forehand for short approach shots, but as soon as I tried to put any power into it my technique would fall apart. Your video provided such a clear description that I have been able to improve my forehand considerably.

At the ice bowl last weekend, I managed to squeeze a forehand or two down some tightly wooded fairways. Today on the practice field I managed a few forehand drives to 240’, which is probably 40’ further than I was able to throw a week ago. While a 240’ flick isn’t much to brag on, it opens up a lot of useful options that were previously unavailable. Needless to say, I’m pretty encouraged to continue working on forehand drives, especially since my backhand distance isn’t much to brag on, either. :roll:

Thanks again, Chris!
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