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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby wdb4th » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:29 pm

The real question is, Who will let me throw a 150 class disc at them and then throw a max weight disc of the same mold at them? Concrete Data, this is what we are looking for.

Anybody?
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Chuck Kennedy » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:22 pm

Need some sheep carcasses...
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby wdb4th » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:15 pm

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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Dag » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:37 pm

Chuck Kennedy wrote:Need some sheep carcasses...


thinking of joining a Buzkashi league?
...there was a time when you were taught to find the best disc for you, not the best disc for your situation on the course, which is how they are sold now. IMO, the flight charts are basically there to point out all the stuff you dont have in your bag and why you suck.

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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Danforth » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:03 am

wdb4th wrote:The real question is, Who will let me throw a 150 class disc at them and then throw a max weight disc of the same mold at them? Concrete Data, this is what we are looking for.

Anybody?


There never seems to be a shortage of Mexican kids at Twila Reed in Anaheim. :twisted:
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Frank Delicious » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:22 am

Danforth wrote:
wdb4th wrote:The real question is, Who will let me throw a 150 class disc at them and then throw a max weight disc of the same mold at them? Concrete Data, this is what we are looking for.

Anybody?


There never seems to be a shortage of Mexican kids at Twila Reed in Anaheim. :twisted:


ok...
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby ChUcK » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:13 am

Right above that signature, too. Funny stuff.
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Danforth » Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:26 pm

ChUcK wrote:Right above that signature, too. Funny stuff.


I was just kidding. Otherwise yeah, that would be a nice piece of irony! :wink:
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby wdb4th » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:17 pm

Playing ultimate i have been hit in the throat with many throws. Only one person has ever hit me twice. And the 175 g ultrastar hurt a hell of a lot more than the 165 g sky styler (or whatever it was)

I couldn't imagine being picked off with a max weight katana or boss, those things haul.
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Unity » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:16 am

So...backing away from the Japan Open and 150 class debate...

sweeper wrote:Let me give an example. I have a 188 Z comet that I was labeled as a 180. If I didn't get a scale to weigh it, I would never know. I could have been throwing an illegal disc in tourneys and never had a clue.

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Am I just out my $12 because I believed (insert disc company here) could weigh their discs?


Is there an answer to this beyond strict reading of the rules card? In my situation, I have never weighed any of my discs. I don't have a scale to weigh them and I don't really care to go buy one. I buy most of my mids and FH drivers in max weight. If the companies are just a little off then I could have illegal discs. For the most part, I haven't worried about it, but recently I lost my organic Voodoo. The only other Voodoos I have to replace it are glows, which people on here have decided are typically a few grams overweight. Am I supposed to be responsible for re-weighing a disc after the manufacturer marked it?

Don't manufacturers weigh their discs in stacks of 10-20 and just mass mark all of them? This seems unavoidable if that's the case...
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Frank Delicious » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:48 am

Unity wrote:So...backing away from the Japan Open and 150 class debate...

sweeper wrote:Let me give an example. I have a 188 Z comet that I was labeled as a 180. If I didn't get a scale to weigh it, I would never know. I could have been throwing an illegal disc in tourneys and never had a clue.

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Am I just out my $12 because I believed (insert disc company here) could weigh their discs?


Is there an answer to this beyond strict reading of the rules card? In my situation, I have never weighed any of my discs. I don't have a scale to weigh them and I don't really care to go buy one. I buy most of my mids and FH drivers in max weight. If the companies are just a little off then I could have illegal discs. For the most part, I haven't worried about it, but recently I lost my organic Voodoo. The only other Voodoos I have to replace it are glows, which people on here have decided are typically a few grams overweight. Am I supposed to be responsible for re-weighing a disc after the manufacturer marked it?

Don't manufacturers weigh their discs in stacks of 10-20 and just mass mark all of them? This seems unavoidable if that's the case...


There was a giant thread about this over on DGCR and I believe someone contacted the Innova warehouse and they said they weigh each disc individually. So if that is true then what you have to consider when weighing a disc is scale accuracy and moisture absorption (which I have no idea how much a normal disc absorbs after weighing).
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Fritz » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:12 pm

Unity wrote:So...backing away from the Japan Open and 150 class debate...

sweeper wrote:Let me give an example. I have a 188 Z comet that I was labeled as a 180. If I didn't get a scale to weigh it, I would never know. I could have been throwing an illegal disc in tourneys and never had a clue.

...

Am I just out my $12 because I believed (insert disc company here) could weigh their discs?


Is there an answer to this beyond strict reading of the rules card? In my situation, I have never weighed any of my discs. I don't have a scale to weigh them and I don't really care to go buy one. I buy most of my mids and FH drivers in max weight. If the companies are just a little off then I could have illegal discs. For the most part, I haven't worried about it, but recently I lost my organic Voodoo. The only other Voodoos I have to replace it are glows, which people on here have decided are typically a few grams overweight. Am I supposed to be responsible for re-weighing a disc after the manufacturer marked it?

Don't manufacturers weigh their discs in stacks of 10-20 and just mass mark all of them? This seems unavoidable if that's the case...


Standard practice, 10 discs of 150g each should weigh 1500g. If wouldn't be cost effective or productive to weigh each disc individually.
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Jesse B 707 » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:34 pm

cjskier wrote:well, me and EVERYONE I play with does, so...



Clearly you cant trust what the discs say on them, especially Discraft's. Why would you not want to know that it REALLY weighs?

well some people live in areas where nearly everyone over the age of 16 (especially the DG type) has a digital scale for some reason...in cali im sure the percentage of folks weighing their discs is higher than most, im sure your average DGer in Georgia for instance doesnt happen to have the gear around to weigh up his plastic...maybe for weighing gunpowder or sumthin though? :wink:
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Danforth » Wed May 05, 2010 11:40 pm

Jesse B 707 wrote:...your average DGer in Georgia for instance doesnt happen to have the gear around to weigh up his plastic...maybe for weighing gunpowder or sumthin though? :wink:


Yeah, those gunpowder scales only weigh up to 1.5 oz. and they're calibrated in grains (7,000 grs=1lb). You CAN use 'em to weigh dank though.... :roll:
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Re: Illegal discs and Illegal things

Postby Smigles » Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:14 am

Yehosha wrote:
(4) not exceed 8.3 g per cm in outside disc diameter;
(5) not exceed a maximum weight of 200 g;
(6) be essentially as produced, without any post-production modifications which affect the weight or flight characteristics;


6 is imo a totaly rubbish rule and should be reworded. I know so many people who sandpaper their discs. I do so constantly when i get bad hits into trees or skips on tar. I know people who buy bosses and go to work on the rim before even throwing it once, so that they are not that crazy stable any more.

Anyway, yes, this is a producer problem, not a player problem. I hope they dont put effort into enforcing this rule, the time would be better spent re-writing the ruleset.
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