ManU wrote:is it possible for someone to take the video of Avery throwing that is taken in slow motion and from a top perspective and break it into actual individual frames?
if we could lay out each frame sequentially (vertically in the post) and write the explanation of what is happening, why it is happening and when it is happening...i.e. the conceptual ideas Leopard, JHern, JR and the others are trying to convey it might be easier to understand
plus rather than a hand drawn diagram that has it's limits we can actually see and understand the process in relation to a Pro's throw
e.g. a frame of Avery with the disc at the right pec but with an explanation of what happened to get it there and what happens next and the timing of same
it could be done from reach back to follow through...probably quite a few frames mind you
hopefully I am being clear
EDIT: the explanation of the mechanics and concepts would be next to each frame so we get the explanation and picture in a vertical sequence
SkaBob wrote:holy wrist roll, batman!
that throw started anny and ended hyzer
Redisculous wrote:SkaBob wrote:holy wrist roll, batman!
that throw started anny and ended hyzer
Interesting you should point that out. I know a guy that can throw in the upper 400' range and once he tried explaining me how he snapped his wrist and what he showed/described was really a massive wrist roll, the disc held vertically, then snapping it to horizontal at the last minute. Aaron_D throws similarly (at least he used to), I think it may be to get the disc closer to the chest too.
jsun3thousand wrote:Disc golfers are holding the sport back.
Animix wrote:One of the more exaggerated throwers with that style is Timmy Gill... take a look
JHern wrote:Two facts:
Fact 1: 300 ft is about as far as most men can throw using primarily the strength of their arm to propel the disc. For women it is closer to 230 ft.
Fact 2: The fact that you get the same distance no matter how you do your step implies that you aren't getting anything out of your legs, which drive your torso, which is the platform for your shoulders...
Fact 1 + Fact 2 = You're strong-arming, throwing with your arm, and you're not getting much of anything from your torso and shoulders.
Your arm is of order 10X less powerful than your legs/torso. Stop throwing with your arm! Your arm is only useful for positioning and gripping, other than that, it is purely passive. Your arm needs to be turned into a whip that is driven by the powerful motion of your legs/hips/torso/shoulders.
Here's an exercise I might suggest:
Stand still with your arms at your side, completely relaxed. Turn your hips and torso back slowly and then rotate your hips quickly to the open position. Your arms should be whipped out and around in a windmill motion, without you using a single muscle in your arms. That's the feeling you should be aiming for.
Next do the same thing, except extend your throwing elbow out sideways from your body and hold it there (as if you put a vice around your shoulder). Allow your lower throwing arm and hand to hang limp from your elbow. Do it as if your arm were asleep and some mechanical device was locked onto your shoulder to keep the elbow pointed out side ways from your torso. Don't allow your elbow to move forward or backward, nor up nor down. It is completely locked in place, as if you no longer even had a shoulder joint and your upper arm were fused into your shoulder so that it would always point out sideways.
Now slowly turn your hips and torso back, and turn them abruptly open again. Don't use a single muscle in your arm! Now you should find that you've turned your arm into a whip. Your lower arm should be whipping forward super-fast. In fact, you can whip your lower arm forward way faster in this manner than your arm muscles could ever dream of doing. Your arm muscle strength decreases rapidly as speed increases, so they are useless anyways...trying to use them will only slow down this motion. You'll find that whipping your lower arm forward in this manner, with the elbow "stopped," will feel relatively effortless in comparison to trying to throw with your arm as you've probably been doing before.
Practice getting this feeling for a while. (Later you can work on the grip and positioning in finer detail, but for now focus on using your legs/hips/torso/shoulders as the powerful motor for whipping your arm forward.)
JHern wrote:Animix wrote:One of the more exaggerated throwers with that style is Timmy Gill... take a look
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