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Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby Buzzzworthy » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:52 pm

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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby keltik » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:09 pm

i take it you are a teacher/PE Coach. What are you throwing against?

Are you intentionally swooping your arm?
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby Buzzzworthy » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:28 pm

We have a net that divides the gym at half court.

No, the arm swoop is not intentional. I don't know how to keep it from happening. I think it is something that I have developed over the last year.
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby keltik » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:49 pm

oh yeah i remember that Curtain/net. man now i want to break into the local high school and throw. that snow you guys had is headed to NC tonight and we're expected to get a good bit, by our standards anyway.

I'm not sure i have any advice on how to keep you from swooping. I would like to know that answer myself.
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby masterbeato » Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:00 pm

that is not an arm swoop, it is a pendulum motion with the shoulders, which is a very good thing.

i do not see anything other than your not getting a very strong "hit". you are moving nice and slow to bring it in, but you really need to focus everything you got and put everything in it at the end, your limping it at the end.
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby Jeronimo » Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:36 pm

Looks like many of your throw's are coming out nose up. It's happening so fast and you can't see a lot of the disc flight so it's hard to tell.

Jesper Lundmark swoops too, don't feel like its a bad thing.
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby JR » Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:01 pm

Your follow through seems a bit high compared to the angle of the disc at release. The disc is almost flat but you follow through on a steep hyzer angle. A couple of inches of chest forward on most throws will help in not having the dis climb up so fast like you demonstrated on some throws. Since you're pretty ok at this power try to film yourself with faster steps and more hip twist and shoulder turn speed. And see if you can maintain your form. For more power generation you can reach back farther and planting the final step angled 100-180 degrees away from the target. Measured from where the toe is pointing at helps in that.
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby Buzzzworthy » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:10 pm

JR wrote: the final step angled 100-180 degrees away from the target. Measured from where the toe is pointing at helps in that.



Guess I don't understand what you are saying here.

The right toe needs to be pointing away from the target as the left foot goes behind it?
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby keltik » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:43 am

i think JR is saying that when you plant your right foot at the end of the runup, it should be pointing more heel forward.

have you changed anything in your grip? thumb placement or anything subtle like that?

I noticed that you are fumbling discs in half of your videos, it makes me think you are having some kind of internal/mental block. has anything changed in your personal or work life that may be throwing your game off?
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby JR » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:09 am

There are three steps to X steps. The first with the right leg the second "X" step wit the left leg past the first step and the last "plant step" with the right again. The last step with the right leg usually shouldn't land toes 180 away or heel toward the target from the target for accuracy but it can be done. It can also be unhealthy for the right leg to plant at 180 with poor or super traction or flat footing. Normally 90-120 is fine. To understand how the hips and shoulders really coil far back in the reach back it is good to try planting at extreme angles. Those throws are maximum power generating open hole maximum distance rips. Accuracy and repeatability plummet from approach form drives where you don't lose sight of the target. It ain't just the loss of visual aiming for most of the time but also the body positions getting wonky and things happening in wrong time or not at all.

It's much harder throw at full power. Until you have proper balance, and muscle power to keep you in correct positions. Timing come with practice and knowing what to strive for. From the right pec position you should start accelerating slowly enough to allow for a full out backhand slap in the last 6-8" of the arm motion before the arm becomes straight.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby lionofjudah » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:43 pm

When I first saw this video I was thinking, “Man this guy has form exactly like Smitty. I should tell him that he does and that Smitty is a good player and try to watch some videos of him.” Then I realized who the poster of the video was, Smitty19983. So…back to square one.

First off, do you want to change your form? Or are you wanting to tweak it, or… just get comments from people. Second, what kind of tips are you wanting? More distance? Steps? Arm location? Wrist snap?

Not that I am really one to talk about throwing technique, but the thing that I noticed that may help you get a little more distance on your big drives would be to try and get a longer reach back. From what I’ve seen in the videos I’ve watched of the big arm players, the longer reach back has been a fairly common factor. This may cause some errant shots, but does seem to add in distance. This is all done with a little more front shoulder turn than normal.

I think the idea behind this is the same behind the 360 that Jenkins so smoothly pulls off. Look at Bratten. He isn’t doing any 360s. It’s just giving your arm speed more time to generate power into the disc.

There’s my 2 cents.
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby SkaBob » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:15 pm

Your arm is very rigid after your release...That can get painful, especially if you forcibly stop it's motion a lot like you do in some of those drives.

Your weight is back behind your plant foot. It looked like in a few of those you were planting/pivoting on your heel with your knee almost hyper-extended. You'll get more power and have less risk of a knee injury if you focus more on your knee being bent and getting your center of gravity over (or nearly over) your pivot point.

Hard to tell for sure with those vids, but I don't think you're getting much acceleration in your throw.

Also, the last throw of the second vid was VERY nose up...looked like from a combination of wrist angle and thumb placement, but also from that little motion you did before the throw.
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Re: Had a Snow day so shot some videos.

Postby Buzzzworthy » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:18 pm

lionofjudah wrote:When I first saw this video I was thinking, “Man this guy has form exactly like Smitty. I should tell him that he does and that Smitty is a good player and try to watch some videos of him.” Then I realized who the poster of the video was, Smitty19983. So…back to square one.

First off, do you want to change your form? Or are you wanting to tweak it, or… just get comments from people. Second, what kind of tips are you wanting? More distance? Steps? Arm location? Wrist snap?

Not that I am really one to talk about throwing technique, but the thing that I noticed that may help you get a little more distance on your big drives would be to try and get a longer reach back. From what I’ve seen in the videos I’ve watched of the big arm players, the longer reach back has been a fairly common factor. This may cause some errant shots, but does seem to add in distance. This is all done with a little more front shoulder turn than normal.



I have just lost distance over the last year. I use to be able to hit upper 400's lower 500's. Then I don't know what happened. I went from being one of the longest guys off the tee to a mid packer.


I was just thinking maybe someone could pick-up on something that I couldn't see.

I had been nursing a sore shoulder since before Worlds in July. Went to a specialist and I have what is called a SLAP Lesion. Needless to say after March 5 my distance will be at ZERO for several months.

I like reading what Blake and some of the other guys post about form, throws, etc. I thought they might be able to pick up on something that could maybe be an easy fix.
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