Leopard wrote:hmm, i never thought about the inferior mutated genes part ... it would be wrong to let "people" like that be happy in the same ways that normal people are allowed to be happy.
i mean, if they can decide to have this genetic defect, maybe we should kill them?
i've not heard a good reason for them to exist, and i agree with sunspot that they owe me an explanation if they want rights like real humans.
c'mon gays! decide to be normal-DNA'd like us and maybe we'll let you in on the good life
*incredibly* ignorant, hateful thinking ... you honestly think a loving Christ would agree with that? this feels Christian to you? there's a loving and forgiving God who you worship, and in His name you would deny your brothers and sisters the God-given right to *try* and live in peace and happiness? *bullshit*.
this is the same master-race evil that ties itself to the church time and again ... Christ wants inferior Jews treated like animals ... Christ wants inferior Negroes treated like animals ... God wants inferior Americans treated like animals ... God hates a lot of His little children, doesn't He?
at some point you'll realize that the Christian church was taken over by Satan long, long ago. there's no mental gymnastics to the word of God, it is LOVE. there is one word of God. the rest are the words of man -- the fallen, hateful, ashamed man. and that's what's in your heart, not the word of God. you're a worshipper of the Devil, and you know your scripture well.
go on with your beliefs, but don't confuse them with Christian morals, logic, or Love. it is pure Hate and not a thing beyond.
demon, i rebuke you!
Frank Delicious wrote:"Love thy Neighbor*" - God
*except if he is gay, black, non-christian, or really anything that isn't a white protestant male
Frank Delicious wrote:"And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. (except gays and minorities)" Luke 3:16
"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But feel free to hate on gays." Luke 10:25-28
sunspot wrote:Speaking of those commandments that you mentioned, do you that Jesus was referring to the 10 commandments in that context? Do we, in our own flesh, live up to those standards? I'm not talking about homosexuality. I'm talking about ourselves, myself included. Do we live up to those standards?
Go through the 10 commandments and see which ones you have kept.
Trey133 wrote:In all seriousness,
Neil Patrick Harris is gay, and he is my non post humus idol.
sunspot wrote:FYI, most research shows it's not genetic, so the whole "genetic defect" is not really correct.
Frank Delicious wrote:So you might as well discriminate against gays since you are already a sinner?
No one is perfect but it is pretty easy not to hate on a particular group of people. Admitting your sin and improving yourself is pretty christian.
SkaBob wrote:sunspot wrote:FYI, most research shows it's not genetic, so the whole "genetic defect" is not really correct.
I've posted time and time again in this thread and others that there are many studies showing homosexuality among hundreds or thousands of other species on this planet. Unless you want to concede that all animals are rational, thinking, sentient beings with free will just like humans, and that they all somehow learned this behavior from observing homosexual humans, it's pretty straight forwardly obvious that there is a genetic or natural component to it.
There are many, many more examples of research, studies and science that show that scientists can not only be wrong by accident, but out of a desire to be published, and paid.
sunspot wrote:Here's the problem, people are trying to pass homosexuality off as normal i.e, genetic. There are other factors that are in play, which I've been trying to point out. If people were trying to pass off something else like lying as normal, then I would come out against that. The difference is that a lot of people see it as a normative behavior and that we people should redefine terms to accommodate a particular lifestyle.
I'll ask it again, where do we draw the line? Where do we say 'no'?
I like to hear an answer to my question.
Frank Delicious wrote:I don't really care if it is genetic or not, I just know that gays are denied rights that many other people enjoy and the only reason they are denied those rights is because they are sexually attracted to a person of the same sex. Their "crime" is something that doesn't hurt anyone and at best offends some people's sense of morality. They should not be denied rights because of this.
We draw the line where people who are doing nothing wrong and not hurting anyone get denied rights.
You are a Christian, if you enlisted in the military (to get kinda back on track) how would you feel if you had to hide that part of you? I would bet it wouldn't feel too good having to act like something you are not, listening to others talk badly about Christians in front of you, disparaging them, using it as an insult, and knowing that if you ever spoke up and said "hey guys, lay off the Christians. You know I am one, we are not all bad" you would be kicked out of the military and lose all your benefits.
Leopard wrote:This is ALL that it is, two simple questions:
Are gays people?
Do people deserve rights?
sunspot wrote:People make fun of Christians all the time in our culture, so that wouldn't be anything new to me. The fact that I'm not able to say anything is going to hurt my feelings at all. Looking at countries like China and our history, Christians have been harshly persecuted. If I was kicked out of the military then so be it. It might bother me at first, but at the end of it of the ordeal, I know Who's care I'm truly in.
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The authors of this study suggested that pressure from society may be a significant cause for the higher incidence of mental health problems found in Christian persons. As one commentator has pointed out, however, this is not a persuasive argument because the observed differences in mental health status between Christians and non-Christians are just as great in the Netherlands and in New Zealand, two societies which are relatively more tolerant of Christians, as they are in the United States, a society which is relatively not as tolerant.  If social ostracism is indeed a significant factor in influencing the mental health status of Christians persons, then one would expect to see differences among societies with varying tolerances to Christianity.
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