Figuring out the dye process

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Figuring out the dye process

Postby eky8 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:21 am

So I'm relatively new to this site, but I have been dying discs for about 6 months now. It has been quite a learning process. I found my first information off the homepage to this website. (oh how I wish I had gone to the forums. :oops: ) My first disc was an elaborate scull on an ace of spades. I used contact paper but had no Idea how to cut it out and put it on the disc. So I used my pumpkin carving method, and taped the picture to my contact paper and cut straight through the pattern and the contact paper. All the way through. I quickly realized that my method was going to make it very difficult to put the image on the disc the way I wanted. So in the end I got the pattern on, but negative of how I wanted. Then dyed the rest of the disc black with acetone and rit. The color was very splotchy and it bled horribly on the teeth. Unfortunately I lost the disc before I could take a picture. (Dang snow) Next a skeeter. Same method. Painted the acetone and rit with a small paintbrush.
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Other than not centering the picture actually turned out quite good. Then tried some pumpkin carving patters. Still using the original cutout method so the color is opposite what I would like. Also tried painting with a thick brush. Bled like crazy.
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Actually did 2 like this both bled like crazy. I don't have a picture of the other one. Tried one more with this method going back to the thin paintbrush. Tried a statue of liberty. Another lost disc. (dang snow) No picture. Turned out well with very little bleed but very splotchy on the color. Finally found the forum section of this site and read acids tutorial. (Thanks Acid!) But I didn't want to cut on the disc. Also not enough water in the pan. Burned the disc. This was the last one that I used this method of cutting. Everything got stuck together and it's amazing I got it to come together as well as I did. The white spots are where I cut the pattern off the contact paper but left the tape.
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After this disc I watched the video's by Chuck and Tim. (Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!) Tried my first disc using contact paper and masking tape as transfer tape. Masking tape is too sticky to work well as transfer tape. so I tore the contact paper in a few places. But over all. I really like this disc.
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Tried again with a 2 color attempt this one worked very well.
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Now I wanted to try vinyl so I went to a local vinyl sign shop and paid way too much for scraps. Still used masking tape. Still too sticky. But I'm really happy with this one. It is the mascot for a local high school my daughter goes to. The Lancers.
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Found out that one of my coworkers does vinyl signs on the side. He brought me some scrap vinyl and gave it to me for free. It wasn't sticky enough. And bled really bad. I used clear contact paper as transfer tape and it worked extremely well. That being said I actually still really like this one. But no more cheap free vinyl for me!
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So I went back to the higher quality vinyl used contact paper as transfer tape. followed all of Chucks directions, and finally got what I was trying to get all along.
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Moral of the story. The guys on this forum know what they are talking about. And if you are willing to follow instructions most anyone can successfully dye disc too. :D
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby AciDBatH666 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:04 am

That firebird looks really wicked. Kudos to you for actually doing it and learning the ups and downs. I'm sure Chuck would agree with me that there's no substitution to actually DOING it and learning the mistakes in the process.
Once you learn, you learn what to avoid. And from then on you can start producing wicked sweet dyes and have more success with it.

You don't have to have complicated equipment to do this sort of work. Even before I had a plotter I was doing this stuff by hand.
I should change up the How-To to include cutting on a flat sheet and transferring it over. If you're looking for a good transfer paper and don't mind spending about 20-40 bucks, Go here. http://sign-supplies.signwarehouse.com/ ... ar-Conform
That's the brand that I use. It's VERY clear, it's low tach and will release your vinyl very easy when applying to a disc.
Order 100 yards and you'll be using it forever. I use it for my vinyl decals too.
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby nothaz » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:16 am

AciDBatH666 wrote:That firebird looks really wicked.


Don't take complements from this guy lightly, he's a beast =D

Nice work though. I am trying very hard NOT to get into this. I am broke enough as it is. :lol:
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby ChUcK » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:10 am

I like the pictorial evolution of your skills- it's easy to see the "lessons learned". Holy shit I've never seen a disc get cooked that bad- I bet that mistake will lead you to be an expert on controlling dye temperature in situ. Keep knocking 'em out!
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby BennettUA » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:33 am

FANTASTIC POST!

Details, explanations, and PICS! Every post should be like this.

Great work on those discs, your progression is evident by the pics, love to see the details get better and the lines sharper, can't wait to see your next pics, great stuff already!
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby A.Mutt » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:07 pm

Solid work dude, a clear evolution of skill :)

Sorry to hear that somebody made you pay for scrap vinyl. Maybe I've been just been lucky but a local sign shop has hooked me up for free with scraps. But on the other hand it has been cheaper vinyl and just like you I've found the cheaper stuff lends to a bleed or two. Keep up the good work, you'll only get better.
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby eky8 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:32 pm

I forgot to mention one of the stages I went through with the whole learning to dye process. After getting totally frustrated with the whole acetone and dye process I tried to just Sharpie the image on. Actually looks pretty good. One nice thing about Sharpie's is you can use a metallic sharpie to color on a dark disc. here's a couple I did that way.
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My son also wanted me to post the disc he did. This was back when I was using a small brush with acetone and rit. He did everything himself. Including cutting, placing on disc and dying. He is 11. Going to be a future pro dyer. (and player :D )
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby eky8 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:33 pm

My newest dye. Pro Katana.
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby ChUcK » Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:34 pm

That. Is. Sexy.
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby Luv2Disc » Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:47 pm

I 2nd that Chuck! I bet that thing looks wicked when it's flying, I like the disign a lot :D
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby Mad Scientist » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:51 pm

Those dice look cool, almost like brushed metal. But do the metallic Sharpies leave a noticeable thickness?
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby eky8 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:13 pm

No. I don't notice any thickness. Looks the same as any other sharpie. Don't know how well it would wear though. That disc hasn't been thrown since it was done. (The disc belongs to my son, and he has about 8 putters and doesn't really like that one.) It was this last years ace race disc. I think discraft calls it the focus now.
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby eky8 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:29 pm

Another new disc. My oldest son is in the Army. So I made this one in honor of him. Might be interesting to play with this one as my home course is right next to an Air Force base. Have fighter jets flying over the course all the time. :D
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby eky8 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:11 am

And my last one for a bit because I am out of discs and vinyl.
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Re: Figuring out the dye process

Postby ChUcK » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:07 am

Pretty soon people will assume you use a plotter.
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